question for CWP holders

[Hugh R]

Think Reginald Denny. If he'd shot Damien "football" Williams, when Williams pulled him out of his truck during the Rodney King/LA Riots, he, Denny, would probably have been pulled out of his truck and hit in the head with a cinder block. Oh, wait, nevermind.

[Rick Lee]

No, the state would have to prove its charges. Dead stranger having bashed in my window with helmet with his hair and prints all over it? Any grand jury would no bill that one.

Quote de Rick Lee

If deadly force is legally justified, threatening it is as well. It's called defensive display here.

True, but if charged you will have to justify your action. Someone beating on the exterior of your car is definitely in the gray area of "life threatening".

[SteamWolf]

Wow, so many stories. It must suck living in Afghanistan. :P

[Bill Douglas]

Not related to the NYC Range Rover incident.

But someone I know has twice pulled a gun in extremely violent situations when the (certain person involved) thought they were going to get a near death beating. The other group of persons stopped dead in their tracks walked slowly backwards then ran. This is what guns are good for; stopping a situation getting out of control, not looking for a kill.

[GH85Carrera]

I don't know anyone (except some real cops) that have ever needed to pull a gun. All the post in this thread are just hypothetical.

[cboosh]

Yes they are all hypothetical. But I carry daily and keep a wheel gun in the center console of my truck.
I like to be prepared for any hypothetical attack that may come to me and/or my family.
I truly hope I NEVER find myself in a situation where I HAVE to draw my weapon. But I am mentally prepared for that and will do about anything to protect my family.

I watched this video over and over, and quite frankly it terrified me.

I made sure my wife and teenage sons watched this and we talked about how to handle a situation like that. I am the only one in the family that can carry, but a car can certainly be an effective weapon if need be, and in this case, it was justified.

I pray that kind of violence never comes to me.

[Rick Lee]

I know plenty of non-LEOs who have had to clear leather. It's not like they all wear a special shirt that says they've had to do so.

I don't know anyone (except some real cops) that have ever needed to pull a gun. All the post in this thread are just hypothetical.

[Rick V]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I don't know anyone (except some real cops) that have ever needed to pull a gun. All the post in this thread are just hypothetical.

One time a couple of years ago.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I don't know anyone (except some real cops) that have ever needed to pull a gun. All the post in this thread are just hypothetical.

Funny. One of the two times I came close was in the Bricktown, in OKC.

[petrolhead611]

All you gun carriers sound barking mad to me

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by petrolhead611

All you gun carriers sound barking mad to me

Why?

[Rick V]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Why?

Yes, please tell us

[billh1963]

Originally Posted by petrolhead611

All you gun carriers sound barking mad to me

That's why the UK is a shadow of former self. Very few men left in the UK

Gun crime has increased 89% in the UK in the last decade. You might have to rethink your position.....

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/12/11/gun-crime-soars-in-england-where-guns-are-banned-n1464528

[petrolhead611]

You seem to be looking for reasons to draw your guns.
And as for the creep who called me Pussy for not wanting to carry a gun, you are beneath contempt

[billh1963]

Originally Posted by SteamWolf

Wow, so many stories. It must suck living in Afghanistan. :P

Sounds like you have it worse.... better get off that high horse

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
•Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
•During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
•At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
•Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

[billh1963]

Originally Posted by petrolhead611

You seem to be looking for reasons to draw your guns.
And as for the creep who called me Pussy for not wanting to carry a gun, you are beneath contempt

You base your assessment of the US gun culture off the internet?

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by petrolhead611

You seem to be looking for reasons to draw your guns.
And as for the creep who called me Pussy for not wanting to carry a gun, you are beneath contempt

Looking for a reason?

I can't speak for the others, but I made the decision that I am responsible for my life and the life of my family. You cannot count on the police to protect you.

Very few people actually get CHLs. The number is something like 2% in Texas. And the places that have shall issue laws, the crime rates have gone down. Wild West shootouts don't occur.

[Rick V]

Originally Posted by petrolhead611

You seem to be looking for reasons to draw your guns.

Actually it is just the opposite. Our country was founded on the gun, it was expanded by the gun, and it has been the way since it's inception.
People who carry a gun have had to make some soul searching decisions (or at least the responsible people) and don't take the responsibility lightly.
We are not looking to draw on someone, we get plenty of time at the range, or hunting, or whatever form of the recreation we use so it isn't like we are looking to draw on someone.
Now having said that if you put my life in danger, or worse yet someone in my family rest assured you will be seeing the wrong end of my gun, and it is the last thing you will ever see. Do I look for this opportunity? not by a long shot (no pun intended) does anybody else? I doubt it, especially from the people on this board.
I started shooting when I was about 6/7, under the strict supervision of my father, I was taught proper respect for a gun, and those values were passed along to my children and followed today.
Your country is vastly different than mine, thus the differing opinion.

[billh1963]

I lived in England (Woking) from 1996-1997. There were areas of London (and other cities) I was told to avoid. No different than any other country.

In 1998 some friends from England came to visit. They rented a RV for a month long vacation.
They were amazed by three things:
1. The size of the US
2. The wealth of the US
3. The fact that they drove around half the country during that time and never heard a gun shot, saw a dead body lying in the street, or were held at gun point.

They immigrated here in 2004. That tells you a lot about the truth versus the internet.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by billh1963

That tells you a lot about the truth versus the internet.

And movies/TV/The News