who use a heart rate monitor, I like one

[look 171]

For years, I have raced road bike without any electronic "stuff" and learn what my body tells me. After 10-15 years of being off the bike, its taken me months to just to finish the local training rides with my tongue hanging half past my gut(not riding enough and hate being the last guy). My methods have always been riding lots of miles and chase the guys in front of me until I puke and do it again. At 47, I can't do that siht any moe. I'll break down and get a heart rate monitor to see if there are any benefits. A bunch of my geek friends have those things the size of a phone sitting atop their handle bars that record and show everything from a pee stop to a 9000' climb. I have no need and hate having any of that stuff on my bar. No speedo, nothing. Anyone use those that goes on your wrist like a watch. Runners, what do you use? I am thinking of a watch and HRM, nothing more. Any thoughts?

Jeff

[jyl]

You have a smartphone? I ride w/ a 4iiii bluetooth HR strap and Cyclemeter app on my iPhone that is tucked in my jersey. Doesn't show my HR as I ride, but records it for review later. The other guys are probably riding w/ Garmin GPS cycle computers and ANT+ HR straps.

[look 171]

John,

More then likely I will never look at it once I am off the bike. I like to have a quick glance when my heart is about to come through my rib cage as I chase these bastards up and over the hill or when they slip up a few gears on the flats. I am afraid I am going to blow something.

Yes, they are Garmin products. They chase after new models all the time and sent me graphs of our ride and its terrain. That info is useless to me. when I go out on my own, I push too hard at time and like to stay within a certain threshold so I can build and not over do it.

[snbush67]

My wife bought me a garmin 810 so I use it, it has a huge screen that can be seen easily, I mostly use it to see what time it is. I do like the heart rate monitor, and the cadence.

Before the garmin I used a cateye triple which had everything I needed but was hard to see.

If you have an iPhone the wahoo fitness make a nice set that does everything and if you use an app like endomondo it cane share your ride in real time to people who you allow to view.

A heart rate monitor is key to gauging your training and fitness. It is a good way to measure how hard you are working.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by snbush67

A heart rate monitor is key to gauging your training and fitness. It is a good way to measure how hard you are working.

This is all I am looking for. Something really simple. Why was your Cateye hard to see, too small or too many features?

[crb07]

I use them and would not like to go without. Helps me stay within limits and helps a lot with training. On long climbs it is very helpful.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by look 171

This is all I am looking for. Something really simple. Why was your Cateye hard to see, too small or too many features?

my Cateye is waaay too small for my Oldeyes.

[LEAKYSEALS951]

You are going to love and HATE my answer.
The part you'll love:
If you want a heart rate monitor, get the simplest, cheapest one you can find. Make sure you can get replacement chest straps. Make sure the numbers are big enough to see. All you need is a number.
Now the part you'll hate
1. Consider mounting it to your bars. You need to see it. If you are in a paceline, you do not need to be twisting your arm trying to read the darn thing. You want the info, like your tachometer, right in (or as close as possible) your line of sight. When you are aneorobic, this is huge.
2. You have to figure out how to use that number to make you more effective, which unfortunately means realizing that the HRM is not a measurement of work, it is a measurement of how your body is reacting to work. To measure the actual work, you'll need (the part you'll really hate!) a powermeter. That way you know how much work you are doing, and how your body is responding to it. Powermeters used to be super expensive, some are getting cheaper now.
3. Group rides are all over the place. If you are tagging off the back, you will continue to tag off the back (hrm or not) until you modify your training routine. Don't get me wrong, they are a great way to get your hr up and get motivated and talk trash- I love em'. With a HRM, you will simply be able to quantify your misery. If you go for the hrm, train alone at least some of the time, on a trainer, holding a set heart rate over a set amount of time. Google interval training for cycling to get endless training suggestions. Find some that you like- use them. You want to get used to figuring out how long you can hold a certain amount of power for a certain amount of time, and how your hr responds. It is the personal training that will make you stronger. The group rides are great for fun and cardio aneorobic training, but to progress, you need a structured plan that targets your own threshold level, not the groups. To optimize that, a HR helps, but a powermeter is what really sets you up on a path to huge improvement. Without a powermeter, you are just peddling hard and see your heart rate as a delayed (about 15 seconds or more) response to what you were just doing. with a powermeter, you know exactly where you are at, how much you've improved, and how your body is responding through percieved exertion and heart rate.
A very slippery slope indeed! I'm not trying to talk you into a powermeter- enjoy the heart rate monitor first- But as far as the HRM, get the simplest one you can find. No bells whistles, or gimmicks. Even if you eventually get the powermeter, the hrm is just that- a number. If you want to smash your friends at the local ride, go undercover, learn different training routines that will build muscle and cardio, use the HR monitor understanding it is just a reaction to that, and then when you go on the group rides you can smash em' (at any age).
Oh yeah... regardless of hrm you get- also have a stopwatch on your bars if you want to get faster, then you'll know how to measure time as well.
There you have it power+time=heart rate (how your body responds to the first two). This info lets you fine tune your interval training for max improvement.
I just cluttered up your bars bigtime! sorry
Good luck.
Ron

[creaturecat]

i have the least expensive polar. on the handlebars.
it has proved to be durable, with easy to read numbers.

[Joe Bob]

I just ordered the Garmin Edge, 800. POS arrived DOA. Now I'm fighting on the replacement. Ordered the cadence.....still on the fence for heart rate.

[intakexhaust]

look171, thanks for bringing the topic up. Great feedback and at my age thinking again of having one.
I used to have the original Polar w/ chest strap and wristwatch. Minimal and didn't record much of anything except perhaps a max high. Worked fine when supposed to but had a very short battery life. Was more annoying than its worth. Gave it away.

Was thinking of trying one again but Bluetooth to an app like Mapmyride or sim. Problem is none of these devices have long battery life especially with GPS. I really want the battery longevity solved before I try anymore of these gadgets. Is there a such a solar flexible membrane charger available to wrap around a frame or attach to a camelback?

[Bill Verburg]

For running I use a Garmin 305 wrist watch type device, it has GPS, HRM, Altitude, You download from the device to Garmin Training center on my home computer to see the details and maps or upload to Garmin connect which saves it online. I like the online option as I can share runs w/ others. Battery life used to be very good as up to 4-5hr events were doable, w/ age the battery life has decreased, Now I get a warning a little after 1 hr and it shuts down a little after 2 hr. Have to look into a new battery.

I also use a 500 for bicycling, it has been great for 6hr rides and does pretty much the same as the 305 but w/ cadence and in a form that is more compatible for riding.

I don't use the HRM much any longer, Once I got a feel for the correlation between the #s and perception I was set, now I'm using the up and down grade features to get a feel for them, 15% up grade is a bit*h

[MauleM5-235]

I rowed in college and competitively for years afterward and have coached for 25+ years. Heart rate monitors are invaluable for training. When the HR goes up, but the work produced (i.e. energy produced) goes down, you know you have gone anaerobic.

When the HR is up throughout the workout, but the work produced is comparatively poor, you know you are over-tired, over-trained, sick or some combination. Knowing that is invaluable because continuing to push then is not productive other than to show you can push through pain (which in itself is important). I spent many years over-training. The key is to find the balance between over-training and not pushing hard enough. To really nail that balance a Heart Rate monitor and a way to measure the work produced (the monitor on a Concept II erg works perfect for that) are necessary.

[snbush67]

Originally Posted by look 171

This is all I am looking for. Something really simple. Why was your Cateye hard to see, too small or too many features?

The numbers are a bit small, but I could still make them out. Once you have the display set up it is pretty easy to use. Just a single press to reset before each ride. If you are just interested in that it is really nice. Cateye sells a new V3 that uses GPS as well.

I really like the cateye HR strap better too, the garmin strap seems to twist easily whereas the cateye stays in place.

[snbush67]

Cateye;

Top number is set to speed
Middle number is HR and then a small cadence number to the right
Bottom is scrollable for all totals

Each field can be customized
The top three fields are scrollable between Current/Average/Max

http://www.cateye.com/en/products/detail/CC-TR300TW/

[dan88911]

I am thinking about getting this one Strapless Heart Rate Monitors | MIO Alpha Heart Rate Watches | MIO Global
I jog/run never liked strap models.

[wdfifteen]

I use the same wrist type I used when running on my bike and on my rower. I just made a "wrist" from foam and strapped it on. I use it for training, which means I let it tell me how hard to work, as well as to tell me how hard I am working. I found a website that describes how to do this, so I'll just refer you there.
Running 101: Training With A Heart Rate Monitor - Competitor Running

[look 171]

Originally Posted by MauleM5-235

When the HR is up throughout the workout, but the work produced is comparatively poor, you know you are over-tired, over-trained, sick or some combination. Knowing that is invaluable because continuing to push then is not productive other than to show you can push through pain (which in itself is important). I spent many years over-training. The key is to find the balance between over-training and not pushing hard enough. To really nail that balance a Heart Rate monitor and a way to measure the work produced (the monitor on a Concept II erg works perfect for that) are necessary.

Been there and done that for way too many times training and racing for over 15 years. There were many good days without feeling like that also. I am a little pig headed and still believe in getting in shape by suffering through racing and training like a mad man. My old school methods. It worked for me over the years, but that was a time when I had nothing going on but ride all day, everyday of the week. I did have a little bit of a rest day here and there. Now that I have no time, so I need to make the best of it so I can finish the ride with my local hammer heads. They are killing me, they always have. This getting old stuff doesn't help. I would lay off the bike during the winter and run instead, and train like mad for three weeks, and hang with the big dogs now, I have to put in three months three days a week just to finish the training ride deal last on the last hill. All the up hills, I feel my heart beating out of my chest and I keep pouring on the power and find myself going backward away form the group. I hate to finish last, really hate it, because I use to be the guy tightening the screw, turning on the pain giving it to them when the road starts to get steep. I know how a HRM is beneficial to my overall training, but need a simple easy to read one and don't care about the ability to log info onto my computer. A quick glance on my wrist and I am good.

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by jyl

You have a smartphone? I ride w/ a 4iiii bluetooth HR strap and Cyclemeter app on my iPhone that is tucked in my jersey. Doesn't show my HR as I ride, but records it for review later. The other guys are probably riding w/ Garmin GPS cycle computers and ANT+ HR straps.

I use this setup with a Bluetooth powermeter and speed sensor - the phone stays in the pocket but broadcasts to a wahoo repeater on the bars. With the gps off I get 5 plus hrs battery life, less than 3 with it on.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by dan88911

I am thinking about getting this one Strapless Heart Rate Monitors | MIO Alpha Heart Rate Watches | MIO Global
I jog/run never liked strap models.

that thing is cool. Simple and no bra strap on my man boobs.