Really? Fire fighter handcuffed by CHP DURING an accident call?

[LeeH]

This should be interesting..

http://www.sandiego6.com/story/firefighter-detained-by-chp-while-20140205

[onewhippedpuppy]

Should make the annual cops vs firefighter softball game more interesting.

[Moses]

Testosterone fueled pissing match. At public expense.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Moses

Testosterone fueled pissing match. At public expense.

In a nut shell...

[Porsche-O-Phile]

+1.

Both cops and firefighters tend to have big egos to start with (sometimes this can be a good thing to help then perform those difficult jobs - I saw it a lot in my flying days too...) but the downside is it can turn to chest-beating bravado and needless "alpha male" dominance displays like this all too often. Add power / authority for an explosive formula that can bring out exceptional a-hole-ness and power-tripping idiocy.

They simply aren't teaching the restraint and discipline to keep those egos in check enough anymore in police academies. And there are no real repercussions if one steps over the line (you actually think anyone will be fired for this - hahahaha!)

It's all part of an alarming trend towards more police militarization, dehumanization of anyone not "behind the blue wall" and a deliberate "us-versus-them" culture. When you build a domestic army with minimal oversight and accountability you're going to get a few screwballs.

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by Moses

Testosterone fueled pissing match. At public expense.

The most succinct reply in Pelican history.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

When you build a domestic army with minimal oversight and accountability you're going to get a few screwballs.

I like that. Says vollyooms.

[flipper35]

Hey, at least they didn't shoot up the wrong make and model pickup with the wrong gender and number of people in it. This time.

Was the truck tying up traffic in the center divide?

[t-tom]

I'd told the cop to go pound sand. The very first thing they teach you in EMT/ Paramedic class is scene safety. When you take your state EMT oral test its an Automatic fail if you don't say scene safe at the very start before you do anything else. When I Worked for the fire department the very first thing they trained us to to do with the truck, use it as a barrier between the scene and traffic. If you don't need to then don't block traffic but if you do not feel safe working at the scene then use the truck.

[Baz]

The posts in this thread should be read aloud in the local news as a followup to this incident - anything else would just be spin and a waste of bandwidth.

[VINMAN]

I'll leave my obvious biased viewpoint out of this discussion...

[t-tom]

Originally Posted by VINMAN

I'll leave my obvious biased viewpoint out of this discussion...

I just couldn't

[Baz]

Originally Posted by t-tom

I'd told the cop to go pound sand. The very first thing they teach you in EMT/ Paramedic class is scene safety. When you take your state EMT oral test its an Automatic fail if you don't say scene safe at the very start before you do anything else. When I Worked for the fire department the very first thing they trained us to to do with the truck, use it as a barrier between the scene and traffic. If you don't need to then don't block traffic but if you do not feel safe working at the scene then use the truck.

OK but what if, in the opinion of LE, the truck was potentially more of a safety issue where it was parked, than if it were moved somewhere else.

All we can do is speculate without knowing more details but safety is not just about parking a fire truck anywhere you want, is it?

[GH85Carrera]

My first question is once the fireman was handcuffed and locked up in the cruiser did the cop move the truck himself?

[look 171]

F ing cops. If its one of their own, then its a different story.

My sister works on CCU. A while back a cop was shot in a shoot our here in LA(when it is not). The cops wheeled their own into and around the hospital. Pushing everyone aside, yelling going first into the elevator looking really mean with two guys walking in front of the Gurney staring everyone down. according to my sis, they were real *******s. what makes their life more valuable then the little boy that need help or the old man sitting on the bed going to surgery? an old guy told me that when one goes into the academy as a good cop and they come out as bad cop or person.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

I see some slow responses to "officer down" calls in the future.

[black_falcon]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

+1.

Both cops and firefighters tend to have big egos to start with (sometimes this can be a good thing to help then perform those difficult jobs - I saw it a lot in my flying days too...) but the downside is it can turn to chest-beating bravado and needless "alpha male" dominance displays like this all too often. Add power / authority for an explosive formula that can bring out exceptional a-hole-ness and power-tripping idiocy.

They simply aren't teaching the restraint and discipline to keep those egos in check enough anymore in police academies. And there are no real repercussions if one steps over the line (you actually think anyone will be fired for this - hahahaha!)

It's all part of an alarming trend towards more police militarization, dehumanization of anyone not "behind the blue wall" and a deliberate "us-versus-them" culture. When you build a domestic army with minimal oversight and accountability you're going to get a few screwballs.

+1

Sounds like the CHP didn't like his authority being challenged.

[John Rogers]

According to all the San Diego morning news (?) shows this has been a huge flap. As per the channel 10 news camera team that was actually on the scene, the Chula Vista fire truck was first on the scene and was blocking traffic for the car and ambulance which was loading the injured people. The CHP arrived a few minutes later but never actually was handed off command of the scene as the firemen were working with the paramedics and sort of busy. A San Diego fire truck arrived and offered help and the same CHP officer who did the handcuffing told them to go ahead and leave so they did. The news people watched the CHP officer talk to the engineer (driver) and the engineer went to the cab which was to call the commander. When he told the CHP officer what the watch commander said, to not move the truck yet the officer said he'd get arrested. The engineer actually told the 10 news camera man what was about to happen and the went and got cuffed and put in the car. Of course the truck never moved until he was let out?!

Both San Diego and Chula Vista fire depts said they do not plan to change anything in their procedures and everyone is waiting to hear what the CHP said they plan to do. More at 6:00 news!

[island911]

apparently it's not enough anymore to settle these things with a good ol' mustache contest.

[stealthn]

Originally Posted by Baz

OK but what if, in the opinion of LE, the truck was potentially more of a safety issue where it was parked, than if it were moved somewhere else.

All we can do is speculate without knowing more details but safety is not just about parking a fire truck anywhere you want, is it?

It looked to me the truck was parked in a way to prevent more accidents or injuries to the FD, which makes perfect sense to me. But to arrest a guy; just ask for the captain an deal with it.