Unlike you, I am pretty careful not to post something really stupid. When you attempt to put my words into your words, you negate any previous attempts at intellectual discourse/thought. Please don't put your words in quotations and represent them as mine. I would not want folks to suspect that I had the same difficulty with the 5th grade. Ask your mom about how quotation marks work.

you specifically listed the things that would be uncompromising in a relationship "cheating or similar"

to me, a logical and reasonable person, this would mean that anything not on that list, is something that can be compromised through.

but, you know, logic and reasoning.

It takes real dedication to PARF up a thread about menopause.

My wife often accuses me of being on the rag. Does that fit anywhere in this thread topic?:(

:D

That is the funniest post in the thread....SmileWavy

I was thinking PARF is where menopausal men go. That's why I go there.

Somewhat related, we had a client in the office the other day. I buzzed my designer on the speaker phone and asked her how the client's book layout was going. She said, "I'm doing OK. I'll be on the rag by next week."

Perplexed ( maybe horrified ?) silence...

I had to explain to the client that "the rag" is the part of a book that is all text with ragged right justification.

:).

Amen and Hallelujah to the hot flashes which lead to the private and impromptu strip show!:D

Now, if Cocker and Flint would just get a room.....:rolleyes:

Seriously guys, why don't you just annoy each other through PMs instead of PMSing all over the thread?

Best
Les

Les
How about you PM him and get a room. Be sure to ask his mom if it is ok.

You should really try being even more careful.

Back for another cheap shot? Why must guys like you ruin OT threads with unprovoked personal attacks?

Honestly, when I read the squabbling between folks here, I serious wish, with the benefit of hindsight, to have kept my opinions to myself and just live life as far as it gets me. Sigh....

BUt thanks to the guys who offer useful advice and perspectives, you know who you are.

Dennis

Delicious irony. You're so "careful". LOL

The PARF bowl seems to overflow on occasion and seems to flow into off topic. Occasionally there seems to be some turds in the outflow...

I hope that your health and situation is improving, Dennis. I had nothing of value to add to your thread but I wish you well.

I think that it is worth mentioning that there are many others in this world that have similar issues such as health/wife issues. You just don't hear it much . Not to diminish what you have gone through yourself and this is why you have buds on this forum to give advice and commiserate with. I don't think bottling up your feelings inside of you is good for you. What you are going through is real and you are no less of a man to air your concerns.
Cheers, Guy
PS As regards the members who take pot shots at each other on this forum they should grow up. High post count does not necessarily reflect maturity.

Yes, I am very careful about what I post and expect to not to be intentionally misquoted. That should certainly be a banning offense as it is patently dishonest. It is bad enough to have to defend oneself here from personal attacks from folks who disagree with the things I actually post, much less fabrications of what I post.

I just don't understand some of you. A fellow asked for advice on a personal matter. Page after page of advice is proffered. Some probably good, some probably bad...some humorous. All is heartfelt, honestly trying to help...or find solutions for themselves. People digging deep into what may be uncomfortable feelings/experiences of their own, trying to help. Suddenly you and a couple of others find the thread and start posting. Not because you have good advice on the problem or anything of value, but rather, because you hold a grudge with one of the other posters and see an opportunity to make a personal attack on them. At first, they ignore you...but eventually, the other poster responds in self defense. As always, you totally ruin the thread. The topic changes totally. Other posters chime in with their attacks in revenge for previous slights or lost arguments. Then others start whining about how the thread has become "PARFed up"...amazingly enough, even you who "PARFed "it up. It doesn't matter if it is a political discussion on PARF or an air conditioning discussion in the technical forum. You totally disregard the topic and attack one of the other posters (because in their trying to help, they may have exposed something personal or made a mistake that you feel leaves them vulnerable). If you treat folks that are not anonymous internet personas this way, it is little wonder you seem so bitter. Why not just post what you think about the topic...and not other posters?

Hang in there Dennis. If they couldn't pick a fight in this thread, it would be in another.

Don't give up. You can work this out. It is never easy, but the result is worth it. Talk to your wife...not about how she must change, but what would make her happy (as that will make you happy in the long run). Try some new things together. We never hesitate to court a woman we want to win, but sometimes seem to take our life partner for granted. You can beat this.

Does she have other friends/interests? Would spending some time with an old girlfriend/girlfriends help out (her, not you)? A change in scenery? My wife always appreciates me more when she or I have been away. Maybe she needs to visit friends or relatives for a week or two.

they?

This isn't universally true. I feel so sorry for women who see it this way. I feel sorry for their families too.

After 11 years my wonderful wife still occasionally has the physical symptoms - night sweats, mood swings, etc but she understands it and has adopted a Zen attitude towards it. She feels the complete opposite of "destroyed physically." She actually welcomes being free of the burden of no longer needed fertility. There were some rough years, but she has come out on the other side happier and hornier than ever. In her early 60s she is enjoying the happiest years of her life. And so am I.