How did the tail-end of Baby-Boomers produce such dysfunction?

[KevinP73]

Originally Posted by bobrestore

They are more imprinted by their peers and socially hot topics.

This is so true. I've noticed that conversations with my daughter seem to stall out as soon as I ask her to elaborate or provide some support to a statement or "fact" that she offers up. It isn't until she comes home from school or hanging out with friends that she has a come back for me. I tell her to be careful where she gets her info. It's kinda like the stupid leading the ignorant.

[JD159]

Originally Posted by KevinP73

This is so true. I've noticed that conversations with my daughter seem to stall out as soon as I ask her to elaborate or provide some support to a statement or "fact" that she offers up. It isn't until she comes home from school or hanging out with friends that she has a come back for me. I tell her to be careful where she gets her info. It's kinda like the stupid leading the ignorant.

Thats why a well rounded education should include some philosophy . Teaches critical thinking like no other. I'm bias because that was my major, even though many scoff at it. It taught me how to think that's for sure. Alone, the degree is useless for finding work unless you go the law route. But coupled with additional education and it can be quite useful.

[pwd72s]

The waitress in a restaurant Cindy & I frequent is 19...told us she's voting for Bernie because all her facebook friends are. Whew! Talk about herd mentality...further questioning told us she knows absolutely nothing about the various political systems...

We urged her to look at the current happenings in Venezuela..

[sammyg2]

BTW I made sure my kids know the meaning and purpose of competition, hard work and reward.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by JD159

Thats why a well rounded education should include some philosophy . Teaches critical thinking like no other. I'm bias because that was my major, even though many scoff at it. It taught me how to think that's for sure. Alone, the degree is useless for finding work unless you go the law route. But coupled with additional education and it can be quite useful.

My daughter is graduating this week with a double major: BS in Criminology and BS is forensic behavioral science.
that second one is similar to philosophy except it can translate to a career and people tend to NOT make fun of it at every opportunity.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

My daughter is graduating this week with a double major: BS in Criminology and BS is forensic behavioral science.
that second one is similar to philosophy except it can translate to a career and people tend to NOT make fun of it at every opportunity.

LOL! Kinda like the least popular guy at a High School reunion is the one who became an IRS auditor.

[JD159]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

My daughter is graduating this week with a double major: BS in Criminology and BS is forensic behavioral science.
that second one is similar to philosophy except it can translate to a career and people tend to NOT make fun of it at every opportunity.

Thats a great combination.

Welcome to my life...

JD159: I have a degree in philoosophy.

Ignoramus: Haha! So your a good BS'er. What can you do with that

JD159: Scored 45 on the quantitative section for the GMAT and was admitted to MBA program.

Ignoramus: *crickets*

Perhaps anecdotal, but when I went for my MBA interview, I was told they are seeking out philosophy grads and disciplines with similar characteristics (like your daughters) for big data analysis. Apparently the business undergrads can't see big pictures as well.

[GH85Carrera]

One of my friends posted on Facebook a picture of his daughter who is getting her Masters in French. What a very useful education that will be for a career.

[JD159]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

One of my friends posted on Facebook a picture of his daughter who is getting her Masters in French. What a very useful education that will be for a career.

Couple that with a business admin diploma, and the demand for bilingualism in Canada, and you have a job.

[creaturecat]

the young adults seem fantastic in our area.
hard working. studious. polite.
maybe they didn't get the memo.

[vash]

what exactly is the tail end of baby boomers...

early 60's.?

[vash]

what exactly is the tail end of baby boomers...

early 60's.? hmmm..late 50's.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by motion

It makes me very sad. My travels have really opened up my eyes about the current situation in America. We have big problems ahead.

Was it on the road to Damascus that you had your epiphany?

Now since you are awake...realize that the the moment GW came on the TV in the fall of 08 to tell us that America was in a melt down situation THE WORLD CHANGED...the great post WW2 American Prosperity Bubble burst like Humpty Dumpty hitting the concrete never to be put back together again. Simply put the herd was spooked...for they learned all is not well in the land of milk and honey..

Now some may say they are as blind as ever, but they are worried on a daily basis.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by vash

what exactly is the tail end of baby boomers...

early 60's.? hmmm..late 50's.

Early to mid 60's...BO in 62 would be considered to be a tail ender.

[Otter74]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

The waitress in a restaurant Cindy & I frequent is 19...told us she's voting for Bernie because all her facebook friends are. Whew! Talk about herd mentality...further questioning told us she knows absolutely nothing about the various political systems...

We urged her to look at the current happenings in Venezuela..

This suggests that perhaps you do not know as much as you think you do about the various political systems Either what European social democracy is about (since Bernie is roughly a standard-issue norther European social democrat in terms of his policy positions), or about Venezuela's political system, or maybe both. I am no expert on the former, but I am pretty well-informed on the latter. If you're curious, I'd be happy to have a private conversation about it (I think it would be a bit off-topic here.)

[JD159]

Originally Posted by tabs

Was it on the road to Damascus that you had your epiphany?

Now since you are awake...realize that the the moment GW came on the TV in the fall of 08 to tell us that America was in a melt down situation THE WORLD CHANGED...the great post WW2 American Prosperity Bubble burst like Humpty Dumpty hitting the concrete never to be put back together again. Simply put the herd was spooked...for they learned all is not well in the land of milk and honey..

Now some may say they are as blind as ever, but they are worried on a daily basis.

Oh brother...

Please don't parf up a decent thread.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by JD159

*sign* Not another one of these again....

What you consider "mainstream" is a media production. All the media spits out is young hippies who don't feel safe if someone writes trump on the sidewalk. Then you have some personal instances where you notice some young person has a gross sense of entitlement. What happens next? You perpetuate a myth that all young people have a gross sense of entitlement.

Maybe it's just Canada, but everyone I know, even when I run into an old acquaintance, are working their assess off and finding jobs. I don't know where the media finds all these hippies. You don't see it as much on the news here.

Sure, it could just be my social circle, but I truly am widening it to people I haven't seen in years and run into at a store. Everyone is doing pretty good and working hard. Some have good jobs some have bad jobs, but everyone either has a job or is back in school for an education that will get them a job.

Much like myself, many of the university grads who didn't graduate with a degree in something health, engineering or business oriented are going back to school, but many times they choose college this go around because it gets you a job. I chose MBA. Studied my ass off for the GMAT and received my acceptance at a co-op MBA program that provides 12 months work experience at 3 different companies with great pay. Best decision of my life. But not everyone with a humanities degree could buckle down enough and succeed on something like the GMAT. So for them, I feel bad. Many of them were overachievers in high school, with great minds and ambitions, and passionate about a program that at the end, doesn't have very good employability. It was like a mirage for many of them. Reaching a light at the end of the tunnel after hard work. Only to find no reward. Literally no reward. Back in retail or something near min wage.

This is where a lot of the millennial frustration lies. You have your education system, parents and friends feeding you this idea that university is higher level thinking, and trades/college is somehow for the less intelligent. What they don't tell you is that the programs that have the largest enrollment, which are also the programs most pushed and generate big money, i.e. humanities and social sciences, can provide great programs in themselves, but to have a career require further specialization or education.

I've just been through all this, and analyzed the $hit out of it. There is a lot more to this than what is portrayed in the media and the perpetuated stereotype of entitlement.

But don't get me wrong. We have a hipster problem. There are a lot of entitled millennials. Lazyness etc. But not nearly as much as you think or what is portrayed. Perhaps I'm wrong about America and that is just the situation in Canada, but I don't believe that. We have a fraction of your population. For every 1 hippy we have, you have 10. Its a no wonder why you run into more of them.

I've ranted about this before because its frustrating. I like to think I have a somewhat "enlightened" perspective on these issues. From the inside out in a sense. Just trying to shed some light on the situation and provide a different perspective.

So you are trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together to make some sense of it all. How do the pieces fir together against your own perceptions...find any anomaly's, It is not the data it is your perception that needs to be adjusted. You construct you deconstruct X 40 odd years....and by the gods you get to walk in Elysian Fields.

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by bobrestore

what I call "the generation with no real mother and father"...They are more imprinted by their peers and socially hot topics.

Originally Posted by pwd72s

...she's voting for Bernie because all her facebook friends are.

If you think this is scary now...just wait! Coming generations will have much of their thought processes and decision-making molded by social media. Facebook has recently come under fire for a decidedly liberal slant on what appears in the "What's Trending" section of their feed. Uninformed users are being fed a steady diet of opinions (simply compiled by a group of Facebook employees) about what the "important" topics of the day are. This one small group of people is influencing how a rather large number of people will feel about a variety of different issues. Could turn out to be that 1950's Sci-Fi stories about "mind control" weren't so far-fetched after all...

[KevinP73]

Who woke me the troll ?

[JD159]

Originally Posted by tabs

So you are trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together to make some sense of it all. How do the pieces fir together against your own perceptions...find any anomaly's, It is not the data it is your perception that needs to be adjusted. You construct you deconstruct X 40 odd years....and by the gods you get to walk in Elysian Fields.

I'm sorry. I haven't stepped far enough beyond the doors of perception, even after 4 years of studying philosophy, to know what you are saying.

Over the past 40 years. Societies change. Politics change. Bad things happen. Good things happen. Bad people are elected. Bad people are re-elected. Good people are elected. We went over this. Even if western civilization collapses, it will suck for us, but eventually, things will get better, if history repeats itself, as you always remind us.

I've got a question for the brain trust. I see this topic come up a lot here. I come from a non-military family.

Why is it that some people always bring up how the new generation of youth and young adult, don't know suffering, don't know fear, have never fought in a war, weren't shipped off to vietnam when they were 18 etc etc etc. As if it is a bad thing. As if they can never be responsibility or develop character, without these things. You catch my drift.

I have everything to thank to the people who gave me my freedom. The fact that I can sleep in on Sunday. Play videogames when I choose. Everything I am privy to is because a number of decades ago, millions of people fought and died for my freedom. They fought so that I can sleep in on Sunday. So that I don't have to go through what they went through. It was their gift to future generations.

Why is it that it is often brought up in a negative tone? As in, those millennials and younger are spoiled. They have never had to go through these things. They don't have the character. They don't have the responsibility. They didn't grow up as fast and as hard as we did. They have no idea what it is like etc etc.

Some people are grateful. Some people are not. But isn't it hypocritical to fight for something, hoping nobody would have to fight for it again and endure, and then criticize those who have not? Criticize their lack of character and responsibility? I see it a lot on this board. Just confusing.