Glad to have a V8

[ks911]

TFI you can go to the Motormiezer web site and they have a kit list that has everything that you will need. for a 3.0 rebuild.

Many suppliers offer kit prices that are cheaper, than purchasing seperately.

Hope this helps.

[930fan]

ks911,

It may be that you are selectively reading parts of my post. 350 is totally possible with headers and a boost controller without stupid boost levels. And let me make it clear that it is not my intention to make you sit up and say "holy &*%$, what have I done" as it is patently obvious that it is not going to happen in my lifetime. Rather, the aim is to point out that the swap is not roses all the way for the Porschev as some people may have implied in this thread. I definatly do not belong to the "Dr. Porsche is the almighty" school of thought as is evident in the mods already in my car though the line is very firmly drawn (for me) at engine swaps from any other manufacturer. A Land Rover Defender with a sbc would be different again though

Now for a question for the mouse, rat or rodent aficionados on this thread, can somebody please give me a quick history and factual lesson on the various permutations of the Chevy small block from the cheapest and least potent and their normal mounts to the other extreme. This info is just for my personal education and will not be used against you and I will then go and never return to this thread so no need to snipe

[RarlyL8]

The smallest displacement SBC was a 260ci unit from the early days (mid 50's). The least powerful was probably the 262ci made in 1975 for the 48 state Monza putting out ~115HP. Arguably the most powerful was the 350/350HP vette motor of the late 60's. All these figures are for the conventional 1953 to 199(2?) production small blocks. Significant changes occurred after that time. The current Z06 350ci has an output of 385HP. As a point of intrest, the most powerfull production big block was the LS7 built for the Chevelle in 1970. This motor was rated at 450HP at 3700RPM for insurance purposes. Actual output was 560HP @ 5500RPM!

And yes, my garage is full of tunnel rams, heads, headers, engines, carbs of all types, Porsche fuel injection units, mufflers, turbos, complete engines, exhausts. You name it and it's probably there.

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[VW@heart]

In reply to 930: Wow! You’re continuing to pick out one word and missing another. In my last post I compared the SBC to a tractor, not a 911 to a tractor. WhatWhereHow’d you get that?
The very simple point there is the smaller engine with the same hp has a very different power band than an engine twice the size and the very same hp. Its not a history lesson you are missing, it’s the prac app.

You seem to be hemmed to your reading, which can be a good thing but if you don’t pick up the shop rags you can get a scewed view from just a magazine.

I have several good recipes for HiPo SBC, much of the data is far from what Chevy creates. I will post one or two. There are numerous pubs available that will show you how to get it together. Don’t read a slickie and claim to know what Lingenfelter is planning when he engineer an SBC. He can take a fishing pole and turn it into a drive shaft. He is also an influencial business man. The more you type the more you move your arm chair into a corner.

I will type up a few recipes from obtainable pubs, most of it easily done by a mechanics with time on his hands.

In reply to Pillow: Point on point #4 that’s understandable.

Yes I have swapped Type 4 with Type1s, I put a VW wagon Type4 engine into an old VW bus at age 17. The bus ran great, it was a good daily driver that had more low end power and ran much better than the Type 1 with a stick (everything was stock). At age 18 I was working on a Type 4 into a Bug, it requires a bit of new sheet metal, and another project took its place before completion. The bus ran good until the trans gave out, a rebuilt one may have worked better, not sure.

Pillow reply cont.: Solid lifter V8s can run for much longer periods of time w/o valve adj than air-cooled alloy suitcase style engine. The higher temps and alloys expand and contract much more than the V8.

Your point on how long an engine will live in relation to its output is the beauty of the SBC, there is no need to buy a dozen high speed parts and wind the snot out of it to get the speed you want. It will do just fine putting out 350-450hp from 3,000-6,500rpms (for a street engine the torque will be as high the hp). Just eliminate about a half dozen of the weakest links, lighten up the bottom end and it will run run and run at its planned power band.

I cannot agree that racers (depends on what type of racing?) tear down their engines every year, someone is going to be as competitive with their engine as they can be given time, manpower, competition etc. Some have no intension of taking their motor apart for years to come. I have friends that are competitive weekend racers that take the bottom ends apart a couple times a year, and none the next. On the other hand some the big boys at NHRA may have their engines apart at every race. I don’t pay much attention to them, it’s not so interesting unless I’m there.

MOST IMPORTANT POINT HERE>> Since I’m NOT running anywhere near racecar output, the only relation any of that has to do with me is I use some high-speed parts to add RELIABILITY to my MIDRANGE motor. I do not have any plans on being competitive at any track.
Just occasionally on the street or maybe someday at the run what you brung events. Around one hp per cube, a 377 SBC with Trick Flow heads running 350-400 hp at 6,000 rpm will do just fine, and runnning and running like a Duracell.
I have some nice .pics of a 911 - 450 hp 377 SBC with a lot of run hard goodies on the engine. The guy is also fitting a turbo to it, can’t seem to go fast enough I guess.

I will get some RELIABLE HiPo and dyno’d recipes and their references posted. With 1990s aftermarket technology, informed planning, and accurate workmanship it’s a piece of cake.

How do we get the pic’s posted?


PS, As far as the unrelated stock rambling that the SBC crowd has to comment on, the LS1/LS6 are underated from the factory. As I posted earlier, some guys are dyno'n them at the tire and getting almost as much as Chevy says the engine is putting out.

PPS, And always remember, ther are wheel dynos and engine dynos don't mix up the results. There are also wide variations of standards set for the engine dynos, don't get too caught up reading one magazine test and comparing it another.

APPLES TO APPLES

[RarlyL8]

Well - there is one way to stir this up a little more, and I'm surprized no one has mentioned it yet.

A triathalon. Drag race, Auto-X, and Road Course.

A stock early 3.3T Euro 930 puts out 300HP.
A stock late 993 puts out 282HP.
A stock late LT1 puts out 285-315HP.

Line up an LT1 powered Porschev against a 930 or 993 powered 911 and have at it! Run dynos and weigh in. Sounds like a blast!

Obviously the Porschev has nothing to lose, so it may be hard to get an opponent. Waddaya say!! Time to put up or shut up.

[VIPRKLR]

RARLYL8 - you pay for my conversion with a LS-1 and I AM IN!!!!

[hoff944]

*Yawn*

[aircool]

I have a suggestion, just a suggestion now; How about everybody (like VW and Rarly) who wants to spout off about SBC, BBC, LT1s,2s, 3s, or whatever, and wants to discuss, or worse yet, post, big block small block receipes or formulas, GO TO ANOTHER WEB SITE! This is turning into an all out discussion of Chevy engine rebuilding, cubic inches (ouch!!) and drag racing! Who cares. I'm really hurt RARLY that you would make fun of my profession, I've never made any derougatory remarks about you being a "chemist". Which probably translates to a meth or crack cooker, right?? Seriously though Rarly, should I stick with the 650 Holley or go to a 750? I'm ready for a carb rebuild and don't know if I should switch. And you know me, I don't want any aftermarket crap.

[VIPRKLR]

I too have a suggestion for you AIRHEAD, however decency prevents me from putting it in print.

If the Porsche engine was *all* that great, it would find a home in other areas. Its flat. That is just about the only good thing going for it. High tolerances are no good if you can’t count on them. (2.7L, 3.2 valves, etc.)

You hear of Chevy transplants because they are inexpensive, powerful, and very durable/dependable.

If you think you have to spend big dollars on something to get quality results, then PLEASE hire me to establish a customized, investment-free, qualified pension plan for you. Just please allow me the ridiculous pricing that you give PORSCHE. I do in fact need to weed out the riff-raft…

I bet these folks that say a SBC transplant is for the “commoners” are the same that ***** about the price of their kid’s shoes…

[aircool]

VIPLicker, I don't know what V.I.P. you've been licking, but I don't recall ever saying anything about cost, or cutting down anyone for wanting to save money, I've said this from the begining, its about heart and soul. Apparently all you see is cubic inches and who can go faster, hey even a V-8 rebuild isn't cheap in my opinion, so get off your high horse and READ the postings! I buy my kids shoes at SEARS too.

[hoff944]

For the sake of this stalemate,......HA ha, SEARS! Lets change this to the "Where do you buy your shoes". I got my last pair of Nike's at Dillards. 40% off to boot. They have a flat sole as apposed to V-shaped. They help me when cornering and allow me to get more traction.

[sr911]

I just hate to see this topic slow down, so I'll weigh in. I know ks911 and his car. You all would like to ride in the car. Half of the topics on this site pertain to performance upgrades for our 911's. He has gone out and built a 350 plus hp 911 with low center of gravity, excellent handling, mind boggling power and airconditioning for the wife. For less money than I spent installing a upgraded 3.2l in my SC. He was kind enough to lend knowledge and some space in his garage ( the upgrades were done at the same time).
I used to loose in autoX anyway, now I loose to FTD. I used to be faster in drivers ed, now I'll wave when he passes.
You purist out there may have never hit track, but when you do and you see that your car is not the fastest thing around when your not on the street. You to will look for the most inexpensive way to get a faster better handling car for as much money as you've got to spend.

[aircool]

SR911, you and Rarly both need to put up or shut up. If the SBC is so great why don't you put it in your own 911s? Some of us, as I've said before, don't care about how fast we're going in a straight line, we're purists! Believe me, I wouldn't care if a Porchev blasted by me on the road. I'd probably pass him a few miles down anyway when he's sitting on the roadside all overheated. Oh, Hoff944, I agree let's get off the shoe topic, but those 40% Nikes from Dillard's, they're probably NOS from Sears. , (yea, I've been to that Dillard's in Murfeesboro)

[RarlyL8]

Why don't you sell me that Chevelle of yours. Obviously you don't know what to do with REAL power.

[ks911]

Sorry Aircool my car does not overheat because it is done well, not some stuff job. If you love the F6, GREAT, find a post were I have stated otherwise. I have owned three F6 Porsches and loved them because with those car I did not long for more HP. They were cars that I felt needed to remain Porsche powered because it would have taken away from there personality if I had removed them. But please, please get this through your head, my current car is not the same type of beast. I have owned very correct P- now I want something over the top in Hp, handling, brakes and looks. And I feel that the looks and mostly handling of the rear engined Porsche is what appeals to me and many others, not the expensive to built hp F6. When you learn to drive a 911 fast you have accomplished something and I like that challange, I don't feel that there is a better chassi for a transplant that will offer the combination of looks, handling and braking as the 911, period!!!!!!!!

And as for all this *$&# about getting off this site and going somewere else. Who ever is holding a gun to your head and making you enter this thread is at fault not us, so call the police, take a round in the head or keep out of this thread if you don't like the content.

[diverdan]

Great Thread!

Engineers go through all this to develope new products and make the old ones better which is essentially what we like to do.

AC: XXX is a great business! Sure as hell a lot more fun than what I'm doing! But, I think I'd move to California for that.

I hear stories about sbc running 9,000 rpm for most of the race on circle tracks. Roller cams don't exactly break the bank compared to P stuff.

Dan

[billybob]

Helo myname is Billybob and I live in a trailer park

I dont sea whut all tha fuss iz about I just love my vee ate Porche

Even though I got no heater, i dont need one as it ghets real hot inside my car, let me say my Porche is far better

Rod simpson at Renegade Hybids is my hero he nos more about 911s than any of them fancy Germains

whith all my extry power i can carry all my cuzins and sisters in my car with eaze

[ks911]

Hey BillyBob wheres yalls from, I's sho woold like to gets togethr fors a pigs rost ands som of that homemad elixer of yours!!!!!!!!! HEHEHEH.

[aircool]

Gees KS911 no need to get nasty, after all you're the one getting the free publicity for your shop. I come to this site because I'm a Porschephile, I come to this thread because you've made it so amusing. No reason for you to take it to a new low telling guys to off themselves, chill out bro! And don't take offensive when I tell you there are other sites, man..., I'm just trying to decontaminate this one. Hey Rarly send me that 930 engine and I'll send you my newly rebuilt 396, deal??!!

[ks911]

I apologize, I think the best thing that Porsche and PCA has going for it is the passion that their owners feel, so it is unlikly that emotions can be left out when discussing such things.

PS. I really don't want any advertising for my little shop, I can not keep up with customers I have. This is a part time gig and hobby of mine, not a livelyhood. The shop only covers my parts and racing fees, which has been ugly this year.

I really do prefer playing nice, meaness is not a part of my basic personality. As any of my freinds will tell you, hopefully!

Keith

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