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Drago 05-26-2005 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by zymurgist
Been there, done that with my Vette.
Me too...'xcept it was in a '72 Chevelle.

RarlyL8 05-26-2005 06:31 PM

You don't have to cut up the car for a V8 conversion.
Some cut up the front valance but you don't have to.
I have seen cars converted to V8 and then put back to Porsche 6 with no trace that the conversion was ever done.

johncj8989 05-26-2005 06:45 PM

Put a freekin diesel engine in it if you want...I say do what you will. It's a car...not the Holy Grail.

Mattias Hellore 05-26-2005 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by ianc
Well, to me it really hits home on two different levels:

Level 1) I don't like the idea of removing the beautiful, sophisticated flat six and replacing it with American iron. This is just personal taste though. If someone wants to do it to their car, it belongs to them, and so they can. I wouldn't do it, but it's not my decision to make.

Level 2) This is the level that is the more important to me. I don't know this for sure, but I strongly suspect that you may have to cut the car up to make this mod. If that is the case, then you have effectively changed the car in a way that is irreversible, and to me, ruined it. Since you have now shrunk the pool of available stock 911's by one, I don't love you for that. Not at all. If this is not the case, then see level 1.

Modifications fall into two categories, ones that can be undone, and ones that can't. If you change your radio, or bumper, or seats or rims, they can easily be changed back to stock.

If you cut up your car, you've ruined it; it can never be returned to stock, and that, I believe, is the guts of the reason why people react so strongly to this type of mod.

ianc

I have a 911 SC 3.0, strictly original with a little tired 100.000 mile engine.

I just had two ways to a more powerful 911.

1. 930 conversion whick should set me back about 15.000 USD or more for a OK engine and ancillaries.

2. Waterpumper, in this case a SAAB B204L (16valve twin cam 4 cylinder with turbo) and pass my annual inspection in Sweden with flying colors.

Easy to tune too, stock internals can handle about 500 hp, some bits even more.

But I have a FIRM stance, I donīt cut any sheetmetal for the conversion.

It should unbolt and changes to a aircooled 911 engine in one day, any day.

I have a another project in engineering stadium which includes a silouhette 911 with tube chassis and motorbike engine in the front :)

ianc 05-26-2005 08:24 PM

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But I have a FIRM stance, I donīt cut any sheetmetal for the conversion.

It should unbolt and changes to a aircooled 911 engine in one day, any day.
Now that sounds like a thoroughly acceptable experiment. I wouldn't do it, but hey... :)

ianc

Schuey 05-27-2005 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by ianc
Well, to me it really hits home on two different levels:

Level 1) I don't like the idea of removing the beautiful, sophisticated flat six and replacing it with American iron. This is just personal taste though. If someone wants to do it to their car, it belongs to them, and so they can. I wouldn't do it, but it's not my decision to make.

Level 2) This is the level that is the more important to me. I don't know this for sure, but I strongly suspect that you may have to cut the car up to make this mod. If that is the case, then you have effectively changed the car in a way that is irreversible, and to me, ruined it. Since you have now shrunk the pool of available stock 911's by one, I don't love you for that. Not at all. If this is not the case, then see level 1.

Modifications fall into two categories, ones that can be undone, and ones that can't. If you change your radio, or bumper, or seats or rims, they can easily be changed back to stock.

If you cut up your car, you've ruined it; it can never be returned to stock, and that, I believe, is the guts of the reason why people react so strongly to this type of mod.

ianc

FWIW, I don't like the cut/hack jobs out there on these conversions....and I love my flat 6, I just wish it had 50 more HP



:D

svandamme 05-27-2005 06:38 AM

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911teo 05-27-2005 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by ianc

Modifications fall into two categories, ones that can be undone, and ones that can't. If you change your radio, or bumper, or seats or rims, they can easily be changed back to stock.

If you cut up your car, you've ruined it; it can never be returned to stock, and that, I believe, is the guts of the reason why people react so strongly to this type of mod.

ianc

I don't know... I am cutting up my Carrera for bigger flares so that I can put wider tires.
It will never be return to stock.
I am also using non Porsche parts to make it perform better (ER polybronze bearings, TRG tbars and adj sways, Brembo brakes etc)... :D

I think someone very respected here dared to change the suspension geometry of his Porsche to make it go faster around a track (BB2)....:D Again another irriversible modification :eek:

These are just cars. Manking should have 1 911 of each period in a museum... the rest are there for us to enjoy...

bell 05-27-2005 03:13 PM

ARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this thread is back :D

Drago 05-27-2005 05:10 PM

Keep 'er rollin'.

H20911 05-27-2005 05:36 PM

People love this thread....here is an old pic of my rad hole cut out and the only thing that is cut on the car. Here is also the tank modified (now 16 gallons)
Can the front panel be replaced and changed back to stock? what do you think? I have see many do much more than this one panel replace on rust repair. Would I ever change it back? Well now, it is a 77 that was converted with glass flares and fenders/ nose painted dark cherry metalic with rs door panels and modified stock seats running a 450hp/425lbsft with a turbo 4 speed.

It really would not be worth much as an average condition stock 77 with a 2.7 and a 915

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1117243123.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1117243213.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1117243230.jpg

I would not have modified a clean 77 that was perfect but it was not.

The thing is well done conversions cost money and people that think they will get away without spending some will fail.

For example I don't see anyone bashing "Doozers" car and Todd is clearly having fun with it but that car does not represent the average builder because he has some real money in it. I really want to see it when it is done it will be nice.

It is just a car ......have fun with it do what you want with yours I just try not to take any of it to seriously. If anyone is considering a conversion you can contact me. I am not saying convert your car but I could let you know the details.

Jim Smolka 05-27-2005 06:41 PM

An update on the fate of the yellow V8 911:

The person who started this thread removed the V8 and then installed a 3.0 race motor. Then, the car was sold.

His next project, which I think is great, is an old 928 with a 454. Just when, one thinks he can keep up with Keith on the track, he comes up with another giant killer :D

Jim Smolka 05-27-2005 06:46 PM

Oh and FWIW, here is an add in the local paper:

1977 Porsche 911, tonneau top, converted to 930 turbo, hybrid 350 small block, needs restoring completed. Best offer. XXX-XXXX

Sounds like a real nice project :D

pa911 07-04-2005 12:03 AM

Who does these conversions? :D

atlporsche 07-04-2005 06:08 AM

people with cars that arent' restorartion worthy.

sjd

drive-ability 07-07-2005 07:37 PM

All the guys here love there cars, some just like to keep things original some don't. Most have there cars repaired/rebuilt by someone else but some do the work themselves. Those guys may like the challenge of a conversion. I have a 930 converted trans to run mid-engine. If I could I would put it in a 911 but its likely going in a 914. Just for the fun of doing it. I would guess that 99.9 % of the people here would give up there cars in a second for a new twin turbo so it all still comes down to money and it likely within this subject always be that way.

http://members.cox.net/stdotjohn/Por...%20007.600.jpg

jpahemi 07-07-2005 08:00 PM

Well I guess the next project will be to install a small block Chevy in a Ferrai 360 Stradale, at least the same engine design will apply.
Maybe some American Iron in a Miura SV.
j.p.

drive-ability 07-07-2005 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by jpahemi
Well I guess the next project will be to install a small block Chevy in a Ferrai 360 Stradale, at least the same engine design will apply.
Maybe some American Iron in a Miura SV.
j.p.

If F1 is still working 24/7 on new systems and there not satisfied, why should we be??

dickster 07-08-2005 03:52 AM

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Modifications fall into two categories, ones that can be undone, and ones that can't. If you change your radio, or bumper, or seats or rims, they can easily be changed back to stock.
Not if they are NLA.

RarlyL8 07-09-2005 06:34 AM

The mods done to the body of my car are not reversible. To do so would require welding patch pannels and a repaint. The majority of cars on this board are not easily changed back to stock. Adding a V8 has nothing to do with cosmetics or "butchery". That is up to the owner and can take many forms. Ever see a Gemballa?

ianc 07-09-2005 02:15 PM

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Not if they are NLA.
That's why you keep them in your garage. Against the day you realize you made a mistake. :)

Quote:

Ever see a Gemballa?
Yep. Wish I hadn't though...

ianc

Nitrometano 07-09-2005 03:43 PM

I would like to see a 911 Porsche with rotary 13B turbo engine.

jluetjen 07-09-2005 03:54 PM

Nitrometano; There was 911 (912?) on ebay a year or two ago with a mazda rotary engine in it. It didn't seem to be going anywhere with a price in the low to mid ,000's.

BTW -- Why is this thread still alive??? :confused:
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Nitrometano 07-09-2005 07:14 PM

Woooo I would like to see that car. The rotary engines here in PR is not an issue. There are a lot, very lot of rotary engines in drag racing. The racing modifications can be made at home with ordinary tools. Also the parts and the complete engines are cheap. You can buy a complete running 13B turbo engine for les than $600. With a stock engine with a T70 turbo you can easily run into the 10 sec. in the 1/4 mile.

Jim Smolka 07-28-2005 06:45 PM

As written earlier, here is a picture of Keith's latest work. A very nice 928 with a 454 :D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1122605031.jpg

The car turns 1:55's at CMP on street tires

PatrickB 07-28-2005 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by old_skul
It's......

THE THREAD THAT WOULD NOT DIE

Gawd, check the post dates on this bad mother!

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Mark Szabo
1986 911 Targa 3.2
1987 Escort 5-speed 1.9
The Porsche Owners Gallery

That quote was from 4 years ago:eek:

Now 5 years old, and 28 pages long..... Is this officially...

THE THREAD THAT WOULD NOT DIE??
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Drago 07-28-2005 08:54 PM

Yes, but we still love it.

Let's bring back nostatic and motions threads on life with women while we're at it...

michigan 07-29-2005 02:09 AM

I would'nt hesitate for a second to put in a new tranny in my 911 if it were worth it, time wise and other wise.

JackT 07-29-2005 05:31 AM

There is a fellow in town that is putting a BMW 540 engine in a 911SC. It will be interesting to see how the car comes out. He is currently trying to figure out the transmission part of the transformation. The car looks like it is going to be more of a mid engine car than rear engine which is also causing him to make a lot of suspension changes.
I am enjoying watching how when he makes one change, he has to make other changes to compensate.

KobaltBlau 10-19-2005 12:42 PM

AAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!! SoCal you bastard!

pa911 10-19-2005 12:42 PM

Good for some-Bad for others.

Rikao4 10-19-2005 01:11 PM

Not my cup of tea, but Jack you are a class act, you drive the car I would steal,and are able to pay a compliment to a fellow Hot rodder....
Rika

Dgraphic911 10-19-2005 01:20 PM

WOW WOW WOW, this discussions really separates those that have evolved from those that haven't. Anyone who would make someone else feel inferior or otherwise about anything is severely twisted. I love it when i see people having debates about the vw-porsche lineage or v8 conversions or whether a 914 is a real porsche or whatever the latest thing is to keep people down, It is obvious that those that are support of letting people do what they want are also the senoir members who we all know(and respect) are succesfull and handle themselves that way. I applaud the writer of this thread for having the guts to list his project here. So much so that I am going to include a picture of my V8 car. if anyone has seen it recently it was also parked with my 3.2 carrera, Yes I have both a bastard and a Real engine, and a large garage and the ability to work on my own cars. I am a succesful business man with a business and a wonderful family and support you whatever you drive, 912, 944, 930, vw or whatever. hope you enjoy it, the problem is that many of these guys have only ever seen a V8 hack conversion, well, i hope you don't see me. you will be surprised. Please remember what your mom told you, "if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all" hmmmmm. I'm sure even after this post there will be a long line of the less evolved that make comments, realize that as you do you give those snior members and the succesful people on here(not just the neveux riche) a immediate impression of yourself. And impressions last a lifetime my friends.

And for the stupid comments I know will follow either way, no the wheel isn't staying, and the plaid is to keep the courbeau's clean, it has full rsr, carpet, rs america panels. I don't wear high karate or have gold necklaces. ANYONE who would like info or help on their v8 or ANY other project is welcome to ask. And Just in case we forget.


"if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all" most of us learned that in kindergarten.

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Dgraphic911 10-19-2005 01:27 PM

did not realize also how old this post was, man it should be dead, someone else brought it back, Sorry to all. Go on about your day.

mb911 10-19-2005 01:35 PM

As I said about a year ago. Its not my thing proably will never be but Hey to each there own even If I don't like it. Its much like the racing seats in a regular 911. Never going to be in my car just not me

}{arlequin 10-19-2005 01:37 PM

LOL, it's SoCal's fault. Looking at that yellow car, I just had a thought... does PCA let you run the car at PCA DE's? What do they do when you show up for tech?

just curious

Dgraphic911 10-19-2005 01:46 PM

I'll throw a hitch on it and tow the red car, LOL. Man i should have read the whole post before i chimed in. I believe the consensus is, this post should be dead, but i think it is really amazing that a post that started with such strong opinions has lasted this long. I say good for it. Unless anyone wants to give me a real rs, i'm going to build a 72 rs clone with a 3.2, and take of the dme and put on PMO's hmmm, nahh that wouldn't be original. long live the V8 thread. LOL

axvel 10-19-2005 02:41 PM

ks911, Thanks for sharing your project with us please continue the update with pics. We love pics.

Those who dont like it is fine everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but please dont included your 5 cents

GaryR 10-19-2005 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by }{arlequin
LOL, it's SoCal's fault. Looking at that yellow car, I just had a thought... does PCA let you run the car at PCA DE's? What do they do when you show up for tech?

just curious

I ran with Jersey Shore at Limerock Park and there was a 944 with a 350 V8 in it running, so I would say "yes", at least in some cases. I will say it was one great sounding 944!!!
:cool:

}{arlequin 10-19-2005 04:20 PM

cool! maybe it would even scare the "factory5" crowd ;)


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