Glad to have a V8

[VW@heart]

All good replies to my posting, and on a positive note:
When I stated I want to keep it 80% stock, I was talking specifically about the appearance of the body, to include not cutting the fender lips off. I do not want a 911 that is all cut up and I can't put it back together at a later date.

"My 1970 911 looks great in the wet sanded & buffed gloss black (tan interior), I hope to keep it looking 80% stock. It will stay de-chromed, with a few stock chrome scripts etc. (911T). I want it to look stock, but I am planning on some sort of smooth fiberglass one piece rear bumper."

Concerning why I bought a 911, I love the overall design and handling characteristics of a rear engine cars; I like the history and designs used by Porsche; I adore most of the quirks (driving in the snow is great); everything inside the interior is quality and well designed, maybe most of all, the 911 body style is very beautiful. I can not say all that about any other car.

I'm sorry am unable to locate another affordable beautiful rear engined 2+2 that is built with quality parts and was originally a driving/racing machine from the factory. The 911 is is the car to drive.

"What upsets me (and i'm sure most p-car car owners opposed to this conversion) is that you are using the Porsche for superficial reasons and not really respecting the car for it finer points. You said this yourself, you like the styling of the 911. Surely there are lighter, stiffer chassis out there that you could use your chev engine in."

As far as cooling/overheating problems, that is recitfied with the technical help of friends, done right the cooling system will not leak nor overheat. This thread is about a yellow 911 that does not have either of those problems. Percentage wise my air-cooled engines have more cooling ecentricities than my watercooled engines. Maybe thats just me?

Concerning LS1 output, its interesting to note, I have a friend that dyno'd his SS Camaro it 315hp at the rear tire. After doing the math that shows Chevy is under rating thier LS1s. After he opened the exhaust and reduced pulley drag, his top speed in the quarter mile figures out to 365 hp. Thats on pump gas, with good highway mileage, and not even going into anything about the LS1 or LS6 in the Vettes.


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[Jerry S]

There is but two words for the V8 conversion............


Financially Challenged.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

There ARE two words:

Grammatically challenged.

:P

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'81 SC Targa

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[VW@heart]

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[VW@heart]

RE: Financially Challenged...There's another posting I'm confused where the research came from.

First of all I think its apparent the original thread started with "ks911". With his resources his background he HAS and CAN afford to put the hp into a 911 engine.

Secound: I'm sure there are several readers looking for a good way to invest $10 or $20,000 and would like Jerry S to help them identify specifically how a 911 motor can be MORE reliable, spend LESS time in the shop, and provide the SAME powerband for the SAME investment on a Small Block Chevy.....and of course as stated previously in my case, the engine will be driven across country to visit friends on pump gas.

PLEASE forward the magic recipe so the Porsche investors and mechnically challeged can take a few notes.

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[Jerry S]

Sorry I am not intending any offense but did anybody see what type of car came out on top on yesterdays'(friday) GT race on Speedvision. This car did not have a V-8, just a good RELIABLE 6-cyl good for extended HIGH SPEED trips on the Autobahn.

See ya

Jerry S

[atr911]

From what I undersand, Porsche, (as many german engineered cars) are quite reliable. Considering most of the people on this board have cars that are 20+ years old and still running (in most cases quite well) I believe that it is you who is making statments without fact to back them up this time.

Perhaps this is incorrect and I don't have any FACTS to back it up, but I would think that an engine with 8 cylinders would just have another 2 extra places where things could go wrong.

Once again, I don't know, I'm just a 19 year old kid.

Just out of curiousity, (because I don't know) do you believe that you have pushed the "F6" engine to its maximum potential? Or are you just interested in drag racing the ricers?

Adam Roseneck



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roseneck@cyberbeach.net

[VIPRKLR]

Financially Challenged or Financially Prudent – spending huge dollars for the PORSCHE nameplate just to say you did does not seem smart to me, but neither do sheep.

IF you call any of the hundreds that have performed and raced the V8 conversion, they will tell you that their lap times plummeted with the conversion. Less weight + lots more power + reliability = winner’s circle.

Come on fellas – purity lies in your own dreams. Porsche has abandoned most of what is being defended in this post. The “911” is now water-cooled and PORSCHE is building SUV’s for crying out loud. They are obviously out to get the most of every dollar, regardless raping history and heritage; why shouldn’t I?

[atr911]

Please let me know who has ever won major events recently in a chev conversion porsche? I would be interested in this information should you be able to find it.

If you have a hard time finding any information on this topic, perhaps it is because Porsche wins races with Porsche engines and Chev wins races with Chev engines. If you sold your Porsche I'm sure you could put a nice down payment on a Vette, perhaps even a new one. After all, they are cheaper to maintain and all that, plus you won't have to go and waste anytime re plumbing and all that stuff in your 911. Just though I might help.

Adam Roseneck


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1978 911SC 3.0
roseneck@cyberbeach.net

[VIPRKLR]

I did not ask for nor do I need your help.

Call Renegade - they have 17 SCCA champs in their customer base.

[atr911]

Alright, this is off topic (even for this topic) and I don't want you to take offence to this Killer, but why do people post things on here if they do not wish to have others opinions? I always though that posting here was when you were curious about something or helping someone.

Since you were/are considering a chev conversion, I assumed that you needed some sort of help... perhaps even professional.

Adam Roseneck


Adam Roseneck

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1978 911SC 3.0
roseneck@cyberbeach.net

[VIPRKLR]

Regrettably, your mom was right...

This post started out as an informative bit, and others, who opinions obviously exceed their intellect, decided to be insulting. I too am considering this conversion very seriously. As I said, with PORSCHE building water-cooled 911's and an SUV, I do not feel in the least that I would be cheating heritage any more than PORSCHE already has - and all in the name of the $. Frankly, I wouldn’t care if I did - spending $5K+ for a stock rebuild of only 200 +/- hp does not make sense.

I enjoyed this post at first, but the posers have robbed the fun this as well. I’m done.

[pacmyster]

Put'em back in your collective pants and zip'em up!!! Your all studs!!! My car stays the way it is!! Do what you want with yours!! There's room here for all of us!! Who knows, maybe in a few years I'll find a broke down piece of ***** 911 and come callin' for the particulars on the V8.. Leave yourselves some options...
Love,
Pete

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[VW@heart]

Adam, Let see if I can reply accurately to the context of my postings: The reliability statements are in relation to how often it requires maint; how often problems arise that need attention; with given power to power comparisons; and a bit of overall engine life expectancy comes to mind.

My experience has been the number of cylinder has very little do with reliability. A quality build, operating range of rpm/power, and external influences are much more of a concern.

A few years ago I boiled it down to a simple question fit to my driving requirements:

How much reliable (low down time/long distance/daily drivable) HP & torque can a 911 engine develop at a usable rpm range on pump gas?

Not enough to put me at the power range I feel is competitive with the majority of my mechanical adversaries.

Striving for a broad power band and having a gear heads ever increasing thirst for more midrange power; the SBC comes to mind as the best tried and true 19.5" battle axe.
(no boat anchor comparisions on the next reply)

[ks911]

O.K. I will have to take a bit of a defensive posture here.
First, many of you seem to think that I am some reckneck that has managed to squeeze the engine out of my broken down work truck into my probably stolen 911. I will have you know that I am collage educated and can afford to biuld just about any engine I choose. I did not choose the V8 because it was cheap, it was more expensive to build that the RS spec. that blew up before it. I built it because I thought it would be a super fast combo that I would enjoy, and I do. Not only that, but I spent considerable more time biulding this than it would have taken me to build another P- engine.
As for not placing in GT classes, they don't even have a class for them, and secondly who would race a 25 year old chassis and be competative. I bet that the car that won was not 25 year old. Rod Simpson had a very successful racing team.
Also, you may be interested to know that yesterday I took FTD at an autocross with over 65 cars present. One being a highly modified P- F6 powered 914(sorry, Jim). So don't kid yourself into thinking that this mutant is only a straight line performer.
And quit frankly, I am getting alittle tired of this pissing contest, I did not build this car for you!!!! I built it for myself and will probably never sell it. So I don't give two hoots what it is worth or weather you like it our not, just don't withhold the pass sign the next time I come up behind you at the track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I realize that many of you are indifferant to this or even support this conversion. You should know I appreciate your support and do not intend this massage for you.

Keith

[RarlyL8]

The opposition of the Porschev conversion doesn't have anything to do with reliability, power, or even economics. It has everything to do with arrogance. The 911 is an "exotic" car meant only for "wealthy" people. If you want to go fast then spend $25G upgrading your turbo motor like all the glamorous rich people do. Then you can brag about what you have and what you spent to get it.
The whole concept makes me want to barf. I would be ashamed and feel stupid to tell someone I spent that much money to badly do what the SBC can easily do.
These 911s are old tired cars that have been given a fun new life. Porsche doesn't care about them. They're selling SUVs to the fancy cheese and fish eggs crowd.
An interesting observation is that it is not the 930 group that opposes this conversion. They are generally secure in their choice of Porsche hotrodding. It is the N/A old 911 owners. I guess misery loves company.

[atr911]

Perhaps it is misguided youth speaking here, but i'm sorry I made a mistake by replying honestly here. Next time I'll think twice before discussing posts on a discussion board. My bad, I'll talk to you later guys, My mommy is calling me for lunch.

Adam Roseneck

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roseneck@cyberbeach.net

[Oliver911]

Has anyone ever considered a 928 engine in a 911, would it even fit? I think that would be one wild ride and that would keep a lot of the purists happy. Personally, I agree with some of the others that they are your cars, do what you will, however...I think the line has to be drawn if anyone puts a Honda VTEC in a 911 (with a vtec sticker), its time to call it quits :-)

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1986 Turbo Look Cab
1965 Pontiac GTO Tri-Power
(instead of chevy, try Pontiac!)

[RarlyL8]

I considered a 928 engine conversion after I saw one put in a 914. The measurements are OK and the used 928 engines are cheap enough. The stopper is the same old Porsche problem - replacement parts and upkeep costs. If the engine runs good and long then everything is fine. If it doesn't........
I don't think the 928 conversion would be anymore accepted than the SBC. It is an alteration of the original F6 drivetrain. As a real interesting sidenote, around 10 years ago I saw an old hotrod (very high dollar outfit) that had a 928 engine in it! Somehow I don't think the hotrodders OR the Porsche clan liked that idea much.

Last night I attended a PCA event at one of our members homes. I brought up the reacurring V8 debate going on in this forum. The host of the event happened to be the automotive engineer who designed the Formula 1 track in Indianapolis. He has three high buck 911s, the smarts to build anything he wants, and the money to do it. I asked his opinoin on this subject.
His reply? "Hotrodders have a saying. There is no substitute for cubic inches. Porsche owners add a another line to that saying - except for rectangular dollars."
I thought that was well put.

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[BRAINIAC]

Exactly! I have but 6 words to describe the SBC V-8 conversion. Beer taste on a champagne budget.

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72 911 Cabriolet