Are we not talking about the way cool new Tesla lorry and Roadster?

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Macroni

Again..... Tesla objectionable..... Amazon / Uber revolutionary.....

Did I miss Amazon and Uber being reliant on my money to stay afloat? Amazon btw has turned a profit for 10 straight quarters now, and Uber would be profitable if they would quit pissing money away on trying to build their own autonomous cars and aircraft. A worthy cause, but they may sink themselves first.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

I suspect the correct statement would be "I wonder who IS PAYING for it"
More than likely, you will be paying for a long time to come.

I suspect you're right but...

Musk is building a battery storage facility in Jamestown South Australia.
Embarrassingly our local politicians treated him like Rock Star. Even our news service described him as a real life "Tony Stark".

Elon Musk: Tesla reaches halfway point of construction on 'world's biggest' battery - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

[sc_rufctr]

Here he is shaking hands with our State Premier Jay Weatherill.

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Did I miss Amazon and Uber being reliant on my money to stay afloat? Amazon btw has turned a profit for 10 straight quarters now, and Uber would be profitable if they would quit pissing money away on trying to build their own autonomous cars and aircraft. A worthy cause, but they may sink themselves first.

Are you kidding........ Amazon gets paid for everything they build...... can't wait to see what they get paid for their new headquarters...... Uber the least ethical company out there..... losing Billions......

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

You can't see Musk's other hand because he is holding the State Premier's wallet.

[tdw28210]

OTR trucks seem like they could really benefit for electric assist motors. Full electric seems like a reach. Something to help get them up highway hills/mountains and when idling around loading/unloading locations.

Something like this:

Hybrid Electric-Drive Trailer Tandem Promises Quick Payback - Articles - Fuel Smarts - Articles - TruckingInfo.com

[island911]

Originally Posted by tdw28210

OTR trucks seem like they could really benefit for electric assist motors. Full electric seems like a reach. Something to help get them up highway hills/mountains and when idling around loading/unloading locations.

Something like this:

Hybrid Electric-Drive Trailer Tandem Promises Quick Payback - Articles - Fuel Smarts - Articles - TruckingInfo.com

Or... they could simply make special roads with minimal grades, and of course diesel-electric systems... maybe because the roads are special, the trucks could be even longer than semi's... we could even put on special high efficiency wheels on high efficiency rails.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Macroni

Are you kidding........ Amazon gets paid for everything they build...... can't wait to see what they get paid for their new headquarters...... Uber the least ethical company out there..... losing Billions......

Huh? Amazon doesn’t build anything. Uber is a service company. How are my tax dollars propping up either of these two companies?

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Huh? Amazon doesn’t build anything. Uber is a service company. How are my tax dollars propping up either of these two companies?

Pa. tax break offer for Amazon to top $1 billion, Philly-area business group head says


Kidding me right...... and that is BILLION.

Here is another......

Amazon receives $61 million in subsidies to open up a fulfillment center in South Carolina, one of the dozens of such deals.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Macroni

Pa. tax break offer for Amazon to top $1 billion, Philly-area business group head says


Kidding me right...... and that is BILLION.

Here is another......

Amazon receives $61 million in subsidies to open up a fulfillment center in South Carolina, one of the dozens of such deals.

Totally different and you know it. Those are examples of state dollars being spent to recruit jobs and tax revenue to their cities. PA giving tax breaks to Amazon doesn’t impact me in KS in any way. Tesla has utilized billions in federal dollars to stay afloat.

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

tax breaks to Amazon doesn’t impact me in KS in any way. .

Edgerton, KS

At least $1,800,000

• Total value of abatement not disclosed
• $1.8 million from the state Department of Transportation for special infrastructure


I do not see the difference maybe I am naive..... both are subsidies...

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Macroni

Edgerton, KS

At least $1,800,000

• Total value of abatement not disclosed
• $1.8 million from the state Department of Transportation for special infrastructure


I do not see the difference maybe I am naive..... both are subsidies...

Great, how many jobs? How much tax revenue? What is the positive economic impact to the community? Better try sharing the entire story if you are passionate enough about your argument to research it.

[Macroni]

Again..... please.......

[onewhippedpuppy]

Deflect when you don’t have another data point? That Amazon center, btw, is in a rural area outside of KC. I suspect the economic impact to the local economy is huge because there are no other large employers outside of driving to KC.

[Macroni]

Matt... I hear you but you could argue Tesla is creating jobs (33,000) while developing tech which could assist the US in maintaining energy independence. My point is it is easy to make Tesla into a villainous enterprise. No more than others we have chosen to embrace.....

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Great, how many jobs? How much tax revenue? What is the positive economic impact to the community?

This is the slippery slope that leads to stadiums being funded by goernments, gifts to profitable companies, free electricity, tax breaks, etc.

Who makes the decision? Who provides the numbers? Tesla is one of many.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Macroni

Edgerton, KS

At least $1,800,000

• Total value of abatement not disclosed
• $1.8 million from the state Department of Transportation for special infrastructure


I do not see the difference maybe I am naive..... both are subsidies...

KS is the last state that should be giving tax breaks. Brownback's experiment with dramatically cutting taxes was a huge failure.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Don't have a number but many of the tax breaks that Tesla gets are the exact same kind that GE, Amazon, sports stadiums, etc. get.

The selective outrage of uninformed voters is dispiriting. We get the government we deserve. Each side is expert at pushing buttons to get votes. And folks buy it hook, line and sinker. Why do some basic research when you've been told what to think. From your side. Politicians don't lie.

[Sooner or later]

As has been said, cities and states do it all the tme. They give out incentives to get local jobs and the taxes those workers pay. (Sales/property)

Goodyear has it's flagship plant in Lawton, Ok. Since the 1978 startt up they have been givin nearly 100 million in various incentives, less than 2.5 million a year, on avg.

For that 2.5 million they get 2500 well paid workers that wiill pay somewhere around 5 million in city/state taxes (@ 2000/year).

That doesn't take into account all of the secondary jobs that support the plant.

The 100 million was a bargain.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

KS is the last state that should be giving tax breaks. Brownback's experiment with dramatically cutting taxes was a huge failure.

The tax breaks weren’t the problem. KS has lost thousands of jobs over the last decade due to their higher than average taxes, many in my industry of aerospace. The problem is that the tax breaks were not accompanied by commensurate cuts in spending, because as usual all politicians object to anything that might impact their constituents. In this case entitlements to their voters. A good friend of mine is in legislative post audit, the stories he tells me about wasteful spending being ignored by the legislature are staggering.