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$yncro 01-23-2021 03:20 PM

Air box is blown..u would invest on a new one
And install the pop off valve. Things are adding up
Fast.

$yncro 01-23-2021 03:23 PM

Looks like a blown air box. I would invest on a new one
Install pop off valve. Things are adding up fast.!

gomezoneill 01-24-2021 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funracer (Post 11193701)
This oil line on top of the left side tensioner cover looks like it has a cut and pinched line on it. Am I missing an oil line somewhere?


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611355166.jpg

Timing chain tensioner supply line.

Funracer 01-24-2021 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomezoneill (Post 11195302)
Timing chain tensioner supply line.

Was this original or part of an old carrera chain tensioner kit that was undone?

ADDvanced 01-24-2021 06:43 AM

Yeah that cut off line should be feeding your tensioners. Will be interesting to pull the timing chain covers and see what kind of trnsioenrs you have....

I’d fix your airbox. Bolts/nuts will make clamping force. For the epoxy make sure you get something that bonds to ABS.

This is just me but I can deal with total scatter. Tearing down cis is fine but just do on step at a time or you might lose parts.


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boyt911sc 01-24-2021 07:18 AM

CIS troubleshooting.........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Funracer (Post 11194984)
Pulled this off and the gasket was totally gone, a few flakes of it remaining. Would this have contributed to any idle issues?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611446953.jpg

Thanks



Neil,

Your major problem is the cracked air box. No wonder you were having so much problem in troubleshooting. How many times did I ask you to do a smoke test? Re-seal the are box using either bigger metal screws or nuts & bolts. And pressure test before installation.

The air flow unit’s gasket is primarily a dust shield. Even without a gasket, it would not affect your CIS. Why? The AFM is under atmosphere condition like the air filter. The gasket comes in different materials (foam, paper, or cork).

The oil line by cylinder 1-2-3 is for a Carrera hydraulic fed tensioners and was modified/cut to work with your engine. I don’t think you have a Carrera 3.2 tensioner installed now in your motor.

Could you post a picture of the 3-4-5 chain housing cover? You would need a lot of patience to get this motor cleaned up. Keep us posted.

Tony

Funracer 01-24-2021 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 11195505)
Yeah that cut off line should be feeding your tensioners. Will be interesting to pull the timing chain covers and see what kind of trnsioenrs you have....

I’d fix your airbox. Bolts/nuts will make clamping force. For the epoxy make sure you get something that bonds to ABS.

This is just me but I can deal with total scatter. Tearing down cis is fine but just do on step at a time or you might lose parts.


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See pics below.

Planning to fix this airbox

Scatter is ok until it sits there for 6 months. That’s when I get into trouble.

Funracer 01-24-2021 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boyt911sc (Post 11195559)
Neil,

Your major problem is the cracked air box. No wonder you were having so much problem in troubleshooting. How many times did I ask you to do a smoke test? Re-seal the are box using either bigger metal screws or nuts & bolts. And pressure test before installation.

The air flow unit’s gasket is primarily a dust shield. Even without a gasket, it would not affect your CIS. Why? The AFM is under atmosphere condition like the air filter. The gasket comes in different materials (foam, paper, or cork).

The oil line by cylinder 1-2-3 is for a Carrera hydraulic fed tensioners and was modified/cut to work with your engine. I don’t think you have a Carrera 3.2 tensioner installed now in your motor.

Could you post a picture of the 3-4-5 chain housing cover? You would need a lot of patience to get this motor cleaned up. Keep us posted.

Tony

Hi Tony. Of course I did smoke test 3 times with a smoke generator I bought just for this purpose. This crack is underneath the runners and either had a very small amount of smoke or I missed it which is as likely. When I pull my oil cap the rpm drops 50-75 as it should so not sure this is a big air leak. But of course I will fix it. What do you recommend JB Weld or something else?

Here are the pics you requested


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611508441.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611508441.jpg

Thanks for any replies!

Funracer 01-24-2021 08:21 AM

PS Tony

You are right about patience needed. Good thing I am retired have plenty of time.
I will clean the engine as best I can to improve its appearance but not going to go crazy making it look new. I have a long list of items to check and/or repair and if I can clean up along the way so much the better. This will never be a show car.

Pressure washer supposed to be here tomorrow. We will see how it looks afterwards and go from there.

Funracer 01-24-2021 02:57 PM

Cleaned the air box today.
Put in flashlight in one of the intake ports opposite the seam crack.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611532304.jpg

The crack is under the two lower openings in this picture. No light shows through.

The injector sleeves were a real mess. I believe a lot more air coming through each of them. I have new sleeve O rings.

Funracer 01-26-2021 09:52 AM

All pressure washed. Not as clean as I would like but as clean as I can get with a sprayer. An improvement for sure though.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611687118.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611687118.jpg

Funracer 01-26-2021 09:54 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611687179.jpg

Found this on the ground after I cleaned up. Anyone recognize it? The washer may have just blown it out of a crevice on the motor somewhere. Looks like something from around the clutch arm.

Funracer 01-26-2021 10:08 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611687469.jpg

Note the capped off oil line above the tensioner opening. I assume these are original tensioners not the upgraded Carrera version.

If that is so I will replace the oil line with the correct original version and order two tensioner rebuild kits and tensioner guard kit from PP. The Carrera tensioner kits are outside my budget unfortunately. Maybe next time.

Does this sound like a good plan?

Thanks

ADDvanced 01-26-2021 01:38 PM

If they aren't in your budget, buy them with a credit card. If those mechanical ones fail, which they can, your engine is donezo and you're going to need to pull it all the way apart. Unfamiliar with tensioner guard... if that can prevent failure maybe that is a more cost effective way.

Good idea with new lines, they aren't too much $.

proporsche 01-26-2021 01:49 PM

the pin you found is from your rear decklid shock absorber(hood shock)..not to worry ...
Ivan

Funracer 01-26-2021 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 11198916)
If they aren't in your budget, buy them with a credit card. If those mechanical ones fail, which they can, your engine is donezo and you're going to need to pull it all the way apart. Unfamiliar with tensioner guard... if that can prevent failure maybe that is a more cost effective way.

Good idea with new lines, they aren't too much $.

Oil fed tensioner kit $1000. Tensioner guards are $10 per side. PP sells both.

Funracer 01-26-2021 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by proporsche (Post 11198933)
the pin you found is from your rear decklid shock absorber(hood shock)..not to worry ...
Ivan

Thanks Ivan

Flojo 01-27-2021 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funracer (Post 11198532)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611687179.jpg

Found this on the ground after I cleaned up. Anyone recognize it?

that's a securing pin for either hood/lid shocks or the door band to A-pillar

Flojo 01-27-2021 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funracer (Post 11198530)
All pressure washed. Not as clean as I would like but as clean as I can get with a sprayer. An improvement for sure though.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611687118.jpg
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rinse with brake cleaner quick, then go next level with baken oven cleaner and a brush to rub in a bit.
though follow application rules.
don't let it soak too long on bare cast Aluminium (20-30 minutues should do the job anyway).

Funracer 01-27-2021 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADDvanced (Post 11198916)
If they aren't in your budget, buy them with a credit card. If those mechanical ones fail, which they can, your engine is donezo and you're going to need to pull it all the way apart. Unfamiliar with tensioner guard... if that can prevent failure maybe that is a more cost effective way.

Good idea with new lines, they aren't too much $.

Did some looking around last night. The Porsche priced tensioner kit that I had seen originally is $1200 per side, so $2400 total. The Sebro kit on PP is about $900 total for both sides which is at least sort of reasonable in the Porsche world.

Any issues with the Sebro kit?

Thanks


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