FWIW Wilwood is now making some of there calipers with dust seals.

http://www.wilwood.com/Products/Calipers/015-DRM/index.asp

I also have wilwood superlites on my 914 using 11.25X1.25" rotors , have used them for quite some time with no issues

Just sucks the dynapro's only take a 1" wide rotor.

The Dyna Pro in a 25.2 mm width and 35 mm piston would work nicely on a 3.2 front rotor. Much lighter than the cast iron OEM unit, and it wouldn't cook the rotor.
Din:
Why is there such controversy with Wilwood or equivilant calipers. My Forged Superlites work flawlessly without over heating the rotor.
Regards,
J.P.

J.P.

Their is not a controversy, it is just that Porsche/Brembo makes good calipers, and most people like to stay with OEM(even if it was not OEM for their car) instead of going with after market when they work on their Porsche's. Brembo is a bigger name in the brake world due to the fact they make most the performance original equipment on production cars. Brembos are also more expensive then Wilwoods, and most people (not to piss anyone off, but especially Porsche owners) associate cost with quality. Put two calipers next to each other in front of some one not thet into brakes and they will take the more expensive Brembo over the better stopping Wilwood, just because of the name/higher price.

I'm glad this talk has came up, Who out their would be interested in a Wilwood replacement for your stock caliper, that would work with your stock rotors?? Let me know. The cost would be near the $550 mark with pads. The down side that I think will turn Porschers off is they will have Wilwood laser engraved on them.

J.P. do you have any more pics of them on porsche with the wheel on so people can get a idea of the look.

I am in for a caliper kit as you describe to work with Carrera rotors.

Jeff

This would be the caliper in question, I recomend going with a caliper that will except 32mm rotors, and a thicker pad to make up the differance. This will allow upgrade to a wider rotor in the future. This is the Forged Superlite

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1101618300.jpg

I can also do Kits with this radial mount caliper, if you plan on upgrading to larger rotors in the future, this is the newest caliper with dustseals and all, it would be a higher cost than the above option. Down side is this caliper can only except up to a 25.4mm wide rotor. This is the DynaPro

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1101618484.jpg

All of the Wilwoods offer your choice of piston sizes when you order them.

Very cool. Either would work for me. I am sure I can find a few clients who would be interested as well. How much do these calipers weigh, and what are your thoughts about brake bias using these and factory carrera rears??

Thanks, Jeff

I would have to get back to you on a weight of each, but the Super light is lighter than the dynapro.

As far as bias, it will be a easy thing no mater what rears you have on your car. For a hypothetical situation if you put Big Reds on the back of your car, The Superlight with the 44.5mm pistons and with A compound pads on the front would make you front bias (your rotors would not be happy, and I do not suggest this. Remember Hypothetical.), or your stock rears with 28.4 mm pistons in the front, with Q pads would make rear bias. Their is so much that can be done, If you E-mail me your setup and what your plan is, I can suggest a setup specific to the individuals plans budget, and expectations.

I'm using E compound for the street, with Q in the tool box for experimentation. The E has a fairly flat torque curve, with a smooth initial engagement, then as it warms (quickly) you really feel them bite. From the seat of the pants, I would swear the curve is a lot steeper than the Polymatrix chart shows; they max out @ 1000 degrees F.
For track I would go with C, it starts to spike @ 350-600 degrees, then flattens out to 1300.
Next step would be the B with the torque curve spike in the 300-750 range; this compound has a smoother curve compared to the C, with a higher coefficient of friction.
These compounds used aggressively, will max out a Carrera rotor.
regards,
J.P.

Din:
I had better close ups of the Forged SL's, but somehow they got erased. This is the best I can do right now. I forgot to mention that the mounting ears need to be reamed to fit an M12 bolt; they come with .45" hole (11.4 mm).
regards,
J.P.
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With deeper pockets, ultimately I would go with the WEVO brake kit ( yet to be released).
J.P.
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I'm a fan of their displays, Where can i get me a half a rim?? Anyone have a bent one they want to donate to my big bandsaw???

Man, Din,
You're a night owl too?
You have Big Reds on your site? Wilwood set ups would be good for those less fortunate. ;~)
J.P.

Yup, I pull the night shift.

Yes the Wils are cheaper, and they stop it all just as well. I never noticed the demand for them. Everyone always asks about the 993 calipers. All Brembos I make kits for are the S-4's not big reds... I can make a S-4 kit out do a big red. I know it sounds funny, but with the way composite pads are in today’s world, its all about cooling your brakes, not bigger the better. And remember the Big reds have the same force as a S-4(big black) but they use a larger(more expensive) pad to distribute that force. Well I could go on and on about how "Big Reds" are over hyped, but it will just start a argument, so forget it.
PM me if you are interested in hearing the rest.

It looks like the WEVOs fit under a 15" wheel. Do any of these other options fit inside 15" Fuchs? For many of us that is the first order discrimminator because we race vintage or have chosen to stick with a vintage look.

The 78-89 930 brake setup fits inside 15 in. wheels. I imagine some Wilwoods would fit as well since many of the cars using Wilwoods run rather small wheels.

That Wevo stuff is too much. :eek: Those guys don't mess around.

Dave,

I can see your point about the S4 calipers. They were originally used on the hefty 928, so they ought to be plenty sturdy enough for the 911. And used on the 911s they were. The standard C2, C4 993 calipers (actually the fronts) were the S4 units. So were the 3.3 964 Turbo calipers.

I would be very interested to see a kit or what would be needed for a Wilwood brake set. Maybe even a full set of Wilwoods all around if they made some that would be good mates for the back. By the looks of the prices so far it would be under $1k. I mean they wouldnt be big brakes but they would be bigger brakes :D . Anyway is anyone planning or have done this, I would tag alone for info for a possible future project.

I will look into back brake replacement options that stay wilwood. I could do a kit with all wilwood calipers that would be a direct replacement, and work with your stock rotors for under $1K, I will work up a kit and post it. The first kit would be a test kit so first come will receive the kit at cost for exchange of a full review. I would perfer someone local to me.

Din:
The biggest sticking point is the 3" rear spacing. Forged Dyna Pro's
would work well for the rear. Maybe Wilwood could sell the radial mount as a blank or with 3" spacing.
Regards,
J.P.

you just make a adapter..... That is my job.

Just pick any radial mount, Wilwood makes about all versions in radial mount also. I will make it go on your car......