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This is a great thread. One question naturally comes to mind: How much would you guys say that a 3.6 conversion typically runs? Say for a 94 motor. Do you think that it would be worth it to buy a ready motor from a place like Instant-G?
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My experience was that taking my 3.2, having a complete rebuild, taking it to 3.4 with new pistons and sleeves, cams, head work, extrude
honed intakes, bored throttle body, clutch, etc., etc. was going to cost about $14,000. This is not too far away from doing a conversion. It will cost a few thou more but the gains in H.P. [and still being legal] are flat friggin' AWESOME! Do a 3.6 conversion. Save a little longer, if you have to. Good luck! Drums
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Downsides are that you will lose the engine mounted oil cooler, and that will mean that you need to add one somewhere on the car, which is usually done on the nose but have seen additional ones stuck in the opposite front fender. Its 6 one way and half a dozen the other. Personally I would rather have a engine build by the little elves in Germany than one put together here. Do a search on 3.6 conversions and you will find that Timmins is not the only one doing them. Some of us prefer to have others do the work if you know what I mean. You do not say where you live on your profile and if its not anywhere near Rhode Island, where ST lives, then I would strongly recommend that you look into other alternatives. All in all it really provides a kick in the rear in the car. JoeA
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Why do you lose the engine mounted cooler ??? Does not fit ?
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3.6 Doesn't have one.
Elves = Porsche assembly workers
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You lose the engine oil cooler to place a mounting pad for a power steering pump on the newer cars. As we do not have power steering, we put a cover over it.
The little elves are the ones who work for the factory and live, eat and sleep 911 engines. JoeA
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Ok I'll play
here is mine    It started as a stock 1988 Carrera and this is what has been upgraded. Engine and drivetrain -1997 3.6 Varioram -Euro brain and harness -RSR clutch upgrade -lightweight flywheel -Guard Transmission LSD -72 ROW setrab oil cooler -Instant-G header and muffler Suspensions -21-31 hollow torsion bars -Bilstein sport shocks -Elephant Racing triangulated strut bar -Elephant Racing camber plates -Elephant racing rear monoballs -The Racers Group adj front and rear sway bars Wheels and brakes -9.5x17 Lindsey Racing front wheels -11x17 Lindsey racing rear wheels -275/40-17 BFG front tires -315/35-17 BFG rear tires -Brembo GTP brakes -23mm Master cylinder Interior -2 Recaro Pole Position SPG leather -Schroth 6-point harness -ISAAC head & neck restrain -BK harness truss -BK seat belt mounts -Appbiz RSA door panels leather -UltraLap timer -Momo Race steering wheel -Rennline alluminium floorboards -Rennline pedal set Exterior -TRE 934 front bumper -TRE IROC rear bumper -Vitaloni California mirrors -930 front fenders -RSR steel rear flares -Hawker battery |
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wooowwwww 911teo thats a great car !!!
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   Thanks for the comments... It took a long time to get here... Basically the whole car was upgraded. So between coordinating the parts, the bodyshop and the mechanical upgrades 6 months went by. This is my daily driver so I decided against installing a roll cage. I am still trying to fix some little annoying problems but it should all be wrapped up by the end of this week. If I had to do it again I'd call Porsche Doc (or TRE motorsport or Rennsport systems) and commission a car to my specs... Is it worth it? To me yes, I love the idea of having a unique car that was put together for you. This is also the reason I went for the 934 front bumper/splitter... less common. I must say that I am having second thoughts... even though it is growing on me. If you have any other questions fire away... I'll be happy to help you any way I can.... |
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Lets add to the fun...
 Initial Conversion Thread 3.6 964 ->3.6 964 w/Varioram Intake Exhaust Thread I got crabs this weekend! Breakdown: 1990 964 Long Block with '98 993 Varioram Intake and Euro 993 DME/Harness 3.8 RSR Flywheel, Clutch, Pressure Plate 993 Heater Boxes and Crab Muffler (w/heat!) New Wheel Bearings F/R, Elephant Racing Monoballs and Bronze/Poly Spring Plates on rear New Axles and CV's SRP Bump Steer Hollow Torsion Bars Reinforce Rear Swaybar Mounts with SRP Reinforcement Kit TRG Front/Rear Swaybars Shocks - SRP Revalved Bilsteins RUF Oil Cooler and Spoiler RUF Wheel RUF Tachometer RUF Floor Mats (easiest part of the job!) BRD Center Armrest (love it!) New Windshield and C2 Rubber Rear Mudflaps - I love these! 993 Aero Mirrors Euro H4's 993 TT Brakes F/R 993 Heater Boxes and Crab Muffler Align, Ride Height, Corner Balance (subbed out) Drive! |
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Cool thread
 If I ever did up another HP-Junky Hybrid, I'd start with a 3.6 transplant, slip in some custom forged JE Turbo Pistons and twin turbo the sucker using a pair of Garrett Ball Bearing units No harm in dreaming 
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I thought about turbocharging the 3.6 varioram... It is easier and cheaper to get a 993TT engine... they go for around 22-25k. 408hp at the flywheel stock. Easy 650hp.... on a 2,400lbs 911...
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Anyone knows of an early 911 with a 993 TT engine ? I guess that wold require a G50 conversion, as I doubt a 915 would be strond enough. This would be close to CTR teritory.
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Henry Watts has a 1972 with a built 993TT motor in it. It is very fast. I assume he's got a G50, but I'm not sure.
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It's interesting how many Targa's end up with 3.6's!!!
Neat cars, guys!
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You can run 0.45bar boost (twin turbos) on a stock 993 Varioram engine for 410HP at the flywheel. It's all in the reprogramming of the engine management system and efficient intercooling
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A G50 with big power would be best but the cost to build a G50 race trans is much greater than the 915. Then again if you are into it that deep (G50/993TT conversion) some gears for a G50 should be no big deal.
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