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JonT 11-28-2006 12:25 PM

The anticipation has got to be killing you!

Facey 11-28-2006 01:21 PM

holy fuch i am excited....

i wanna see!!!!!

actually...another thing that i would really like to see is that 3.9L in you beast, on a dyno, or track...well u actually owe us both :P


SmileWavy

911teo 11-28-2006 02:55 PM

this is a pic of the engine when nearly finished....

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1164758126.jpg

Jeff Alton 11-28-2006 02:58 PM

Matteo, looking really good!!!

Any chance you can snap a pic of how they adapted the cable throttle linkage of the ITB's to the "rod" linkage of the car??

Cheers

911teo 11-28-2006 03:01 PM

Jeff

the motor is like 700 miles away. I think Timmins will do that when the actual car is there with him.
I plan to drive up sometimes in January. That way he'll have 2 months to tune the thing and get it ready for the track season in March.

PS
I will contact you soon for a set of Kodiak 18's for the Comp tires.

SCHNELE 11-28-2006 03:09 PM

Matteo I see you are utilizing a distributor, that is why I asked what you were using for ignition. I am also using the Motec M600 but I went with the M&W CDI for ignition and M&W double ended coils. Looking good, it will be interesting to see the numbers you get from your NA lightweight beastie.

911teo 11-28-2006 03:51 PM

OH Schnele I completely missed your question... sorry!!!

OK basically it is a stock 993 engine with some mods.
Of non stock there is:
- Ti springs
- Ti retainers
- Ti RS Valves
- 45mm ported heads
- 3.9l P&C
- Carrillo rods
- DC 62 cams
- RS pulley
- GT3 oil pump (I think... we specced the motor in February)
- Jenvey Induction
- Motec ECU

So all the rest of the components are stock 993 (case, crank, dist etc)

I would be happy with 370-380 hp at the crank. I think we can spin it to 7,500-7,700 with no problem. And the DC-62 are just sweet up there...
The capacity should give us enough torque to reach 375hp. If it is less it does not matter... I am still beyond the GT3RS power to weight ratio... :D

tom1394racing 11-28-2006 03:54 PM

Matteo

I am loving your updates.

When do we get to see the pics of the painted shell??

w21055 11-28-2006 04:01 PM

amazing car and project! Definately subscribing!

Jeff Alton 11-28-2006 04:23 PM

Matteo, my geography sucks, did not realize the motor was not closer to you!! At any rate, can't wait to see the pics, your car is smoking!!

Contact me anytime about wheels, no rush at all.

Cheers

911teo 11-28-2006 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tom1394racing
Matteo

I am loving your updates.

When do we get to see the pics of the painted shell??

Ha! About that.. I waited 3 months for this day... then I forgot the memory card of the camera in the media slot at home...

Anyway i will go to the shop next week and get a lot of pics...
Sorry!

shbop 11-28-2006 07:32 PM

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boba 11-28-2006 07:34 PM

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Jon Merck 11-28-2006 07:44 PM

Woo Hoo! I know you are getting excited Matteo, glad to hear things are moving.

YTNUKLR 11-28-2006 11:58 PM

gotta see this.....

mpeastend 11-29-2006 06:04 AM

I can't wait!

Duckworth 11-29-2006 06:18 PM

Your first test run is gonna be interesting...

Won't be long now.... great looking motor. :eek:




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911teo 12-10-2006 04:49 PM

Finally I managed to take some pictures of the car as it is right now.

It looks like the buys at Zuffenhaus will be able to start working on it from tomorrow.

Let's say they have been quite busy on another crazy project....
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=318580&perpage=20&pagen umber=1


So these are the pics...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165801650.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165801672.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165801692.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165801715.jpg

Hopefully more soon!

rennch 12-10-2006 04:51 PM

As a guy building a Mexico Blue RSR Replica, all I can say is

DROOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL.....

Jon Merck 12-10-2006 04:51 PM

Looks really good Matteo :D

911teo 12-10-2006 05:01 PM

Now what do you think....

Browing on pelican I saw these...


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165802021.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165802035.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165802053.jpg


They look so cool that i started thinking that maybe I should go with center locks.
Since this is a street/DE car it would only be for "look" reasons.

My current wheels look quite good (here they are as I lent them to Keith for measuring purposes on their other project)...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165802277.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165802288.jpg

So the only other wheel that I'd consider having is the 917/RSR wheel.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165802436.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165802450.jpg


So what do you think? Leaving aside any cost considerations which one would you go with? The Fuchs or the centerlock RSR?

pjv911 12-10-2006 05:14 PM

The Fuchs look better but the centerlock wheels really set it apart. For what its worth the CL wheels are ugly and have limited tire availability. Also only a true Porsche enthusiest will regognize the CL wheels for what they are. Personally I would leave the Fuchs. You can go wrong with perfection.

Kurt Williams

ted 12-10-2006 05:59 PM

Make sure the CL rims will hold air.
Are these old magnesium rims?
I think an aluminum replica is made, in Australia?

Were you thinking of taking the car to Germany?
If so would the CL pass inspection for use on road in Germany.

Big project and looks great, thanks for sharing.

herman maire 12-10-2006 06:45 PM

Matteo,
Just keep the fuchs man.... Cost aside the fuchs look much better than the 917 style rim. I do love the center lock look but if you want that tough look of the black 917 style rims try painting your Fuchs the same color.

If you do decide to go center lock, you can do that mod later on....

If you do decide to sell your 17" fuchs give me shout SmileWavy

Brother 12-10-2006 06:58 PM

Since budget doesn't seem to be an issue here, why don't you just get some center lock Fuch's made?

911teo 12-10-2006 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ted
Make sure the CL rims will hold air.
Are these old magnesium rims?
I think an aluminum replica is made, in Australia?

Were you thinking of taking the car to Germany?
If so would the CL pass inspection for use on road in Germany.

Big project and looks great, thanks for sharing.

Mike I would have the RSR CL made in Australia by Kraftwerkz.
I would have them made in 17" for tire avaliability.

Road legality of the CL in Europe would be a factor... and I hadn't thought about it.

randywebb 12-10-2006 08:22 PM

They cost $4,000 each when new (and that was in 1970's dollars) and were the ultimate wheel at the time - lighter than the Fuchs even tho much bigger.

But I wouldn't bother if the copies are cast or are made of Al, not Mg.

adomakin 12-10-2006 10:30 PM

Hi Mike, i love the fuchs to death but Id go with the CL's to be different. there are lots of people running th 17 inch fuchs now and In my eyes because they are not a scaled enlarged fuch they can sometimes look a little awkward. here is a thread that is talking about the limited production of some replica fuchs that are scaled so are more true to the design of the fuch.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/317452-17-cast-fuchs-knockoffs.html

I'd still run with the CL's though. To be totally honest with you, I'd keep it real and run the fuch 15's and induldge myself in some of michelins finest TB15's which are readily available (and being produced all the time) in lots of sizes and at least three compounds now

http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/michelintb15.php

911teo 12-11-2006 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by randywebb
They cost $4,000 each when new (and that was in 1970's dollars) and were the ultimate wheel at the time - lighter than the Fuchs even tho much bigger.

But I wouldn't bother if the copies are cast or are made of Al, not Mg.

Yeah I found a set of the original mag ones for $15,000. I said no thank you.

These are the replica made by Kraftwerkz

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165840055.jpg

Check out their website.... http://www.kraftwerkz.net/

911teo 12-11-2006 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by adomakin
...

I'd still run with the CL's though. To be totally honest with you, I'd keep it real and run the fuch 15's and induldge myself in some of michelins finest TB15's which are readily available (and being produced all the time) in lots of sizes and at least three compounds now

http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/michelintb15.php

Andy
great info! Do you know if CL are street legal in the UK?

boba 12-11-2006 04:30 AM

TBs are also available at Coker Tire.
www.coker.com

juicersr 12-11-2006 06:03 AM

Go with the CL! Paul's 934 is plain bad ass and 345 pirellis are again available from tire rack

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=272963&highlight=center lock

Ugly? Unrecognizable? Are you kidding... only the one of the greatest Porsche racing wheels ever. Matteo, i have been trying to contact Kraftwerk for last month by email to find out about their wheel for my up coming project without success. Do you have to call these guys or what. Who has those centerlock hubs?

911teo 12-11-2006 06:23 AM

Ha! I have not been able to contact Krafwerkz either.

From the pick above it looks like they are modular alu wheels. I am quite sure that we could spec the offset and other dimensions.

PM me for the hubs.

quattrorunner 12-11-2006 08:26 AM

fuchs for looks sake.

Facey 12-11-2006 09:35 AM

COME ON!

the fuch look has been done.
(who doesn't have a 3.9L with 17' fuch's)

the 917/935 (CL) wheel would be AMAZING, in any size, with anytire. Aside from being a much rarer look, I think it would be more suited to your car as well....

WALK THE UNTREADED TRAIL....go with the CL's

Facey 12-11-2006 09:36 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165862186.jpg

i meant to have this in the above post, but i really like these wheels also.

911teo 12-11-2006 09:59 AM

Facey, where do those come from?

Facey 12-11-2006 10:03 AM

965 i believe.

fancy though eh?

wider then they are tall....man is that ever cool.

adomakin 12-11-2006 11:45 AM

mike im not sure, ill do a bit of digging. (i'd run them anyway-the police over here are pretty cool about minor things like this)

Wil Ferch 12-11-2006 11:48 AM

Ya mean 956 or 962, right ? ... not 965 .....

- Wil


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