Have you seen ST's workshop? I have NEVER seen anything as filthy - and these are pictures HE posted on his OWN website.

Nor have I been treated more poorly by ANYONE than that guy.

The dickhead part was not directed at you, more a general purpose jab at what is known in some circles as foot-in-mouth disease that may have (temporarily) afflicted Phil....

D.

Mateo, I'm going to rule out "driving" as being in any related to the engine failure.

I Do see issues with fuel wash down that might have been unkind to the cylinder walls, but I doubt the bearing issue is a result. And thats certainly not your fault either...somebody somewhere dropped the ball on proper installation and testing of the connectors and proper ECU mounting.

There IS a lot of blame to go around here, but little should fall on your shoulders.

However, you are certainly right that if you're going to play in this manner on the track, a write off is something you need to be able to accept. If the car represents a kids college education, then certainly the track isn't the place for it to "appreciate".

And sure, a "money shift" is always a possibility..,,but this was a simple engine failure. They happen, but when the proper steps and precautions are taken, they are rare. Ferrari is allowed a failure...they are dancing at the edge of known performance, pushing envelopes. Your engine and build is great, but it's not in the same genre as the Ferrari.

I agree with you on all counts.

My Ferrari example was to say that stuff happens even when you think you have done everything right.

We now know that a lot of things were not done right in my case....

Matteo-
I've followed the build of your car, both here and in the Excellence article and I'm really sorry to hear about this failure. Here's hoping that you get it back together and get to enjoy your car for its intended purpose(s).

Yeah, you do like like a damp squib.

Especially when I checked your prior posts, all 6 of them.

Good luck selling your personalized license plate for a thousand bucks...hope you figured out how much oil goes in your 911.

You are really going to make a lot of friends here in our little "brotherhood".

Let me at him........ Let me at him.......

Teo, I am with you but PLEASE stop telling it is not so called " engine builder" or whats his name FAULT.
I can't read that no more.:mad:
Is here anyone that needs explanation how fundamental eng.case for buildup like this is?
"man" is a cheap bastard/lier and thief PERIOD. If he put sh#@$ case like that to save buck here or there , only question is WHAT ELSE HE HAD SCREWED?

AND YES I WOULD EXPECT FULL REFUND FOR TWO ENG. REBUILDS( if I am correct ,he rebuild engine twice) AND REIMBURSEMENT FOR MY WHOLE EXPENSES.

Good luck .
Great thread, build, car. don't spoil it with justifying *********.
I know things brakes when they are put to the limit. But one thing is if I broke it and other thing if someone F@$#ks you up and stuff brakes:mad:

I have to agree here. I've never been public with my experience when I didn't use him for my 3.6 swap for Scruffy. He literally told me off and wouldn't return my emails. All because Tyson and I worked a deal for his labor to build me an engine rather than my buying from Steve. I had been to his house a couple times and contributed to his charity (he does make some good Chili and can be great socially to his credit) but ever since then he won't respond to a single email.

I think Matteo is being really gracious about this. For example, ever notice how pissy guys on this forum get over an extra 20 bucks on shipping they didn't think they should have paid????

What happened to Matteo was wrong, no matter how you slice it, it should have been put right.

Hats off to a good man and his great car (soon to have a great engine)
thanks for the excellent article, it makes me think that one day my project will be completed. Thank-you

Wow sorry about all of this what a terrible thing to happen. here is the scary part. He teaches this stuff at a college level. WOW! If I were to do something like that with my business and then went to teach my students(I teach at a local college as well) man that is scary

You know what they say about teachers.......

Hey I teach and can do as I teach whats that make me?

A rare breed. lol My hats off to anyone that has chosen teaching as a profession. I know I'm not a good teacher.

My hats off to anyone who choses to work as a teacher. Most are underpaid and under appreciated. My wife teaches masters business and math courses in the evenings at the local university and my mom is a foreign language teacher. It is a labor of love. Both my wife and mom have their days, both good and bad. I know I wouldn't have the patience. :-)

Thinned skinned? :D Joking. Joking.

The teacher comment is a well known humorous phase, the fact that I didn't have to finish the sentence and you knew what I was talking about proves that.

I didn't mean to get your knickers in a knot, in Timmins' case it just seemed too apropos to let it slide. Btw my wife is a teacher.

This whole conversation we are having here now is a very sad chapter in what is a fantastic build. We should find a way to get this thread on a positive note. Timmins is a POS and we all know it so what we need is some commentary on the engine rebuild, Teo any word?

I knew just bustin some chops;)

This sholuld help put a positive spin on the thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAkzsrV6BIc

Originally Posted by 911teo
I thought long and hard about writing this recap.

I do not think Timmins is dis-honest. I really don't. Bent case in a build and not telling you. Proof of honesty in my book

I personally think this build was over his head. I think he believes he's a good engine builder but in fact he isn't.delusional and disshonest

It is not his fault that he was put into this. Ofcourse it is not. You force him into buildup with a gun!!! well in this case with chunk of $$$. Honest as angel: " I can't build the way you want ,but for this amount of $$$ I'll put my integrity at a risk"

As I mentioned earlier what bothers me is having used the bent case.BINGO, DING-DING-DING.

As per the engine blowing up who knows? I certainly do not have a single proof that the failure was caused by anything he did. What about weldet/bent engine case. You know term "CHAIN REACTION"

I really don't know what happened and both Bob Watson and Colin Benton at 9M could not/would not say what went wrong.? :confused:

I am very pragmatic about these things.

I made the decision of going with Timmins. If he's not good enough it is not his fault.Agree, but does it makes him honest person

It's like as if someone invested in a company and then ended up losing money because the company did not perform as well as expected. or it's like giving $$$ to Madoff . everything was set from begining to steal the $$$:rolleyes:

They should have done their research better before investing. And so should I.one more like that I start puking

I eventually decided to write everything because of the tone of his last email.

After everything I went through with this engine I get a nasty reply as if I am bothering him ???best defence is OFFENCE.

In all honesty I know what I paid Timmins, and I know what the parts cost and how much was the labor. He didn't make much more on my engine than on a stock rebuild.are you kidding? oh well to find/prep/clean/weld that case- it is atleast 20h of labor x100$/h= 2000$:rolleyes:

Plus he probably ended up spending much more time on my build than any other.look sentence above

That is why I never asked for an all out financial compensation from him (and as I said above there is little proof). :mad:

But I think this is another chapter of the story that deserved to be told.

If anybody asked me about Timmins I would say that up until the end he had been a nice, ready to help guy. Maybe a bit arrogant at time, but always nice.
Looking at how things went for me I would not use him again. Maybe we have both been unlucky.look at a stereotype of con artists- most helpfull, thoughtfull, trustable etc etc

Again I do not think Timmins is the MM of the East Coast. I do not thing he did anything with malice.... offcource he's NOT. He is a TIMMINS of East cost on a way to geting to MM level

He was just in above his head...Don't think so! He managed to steal your $$ and get away with that. HE IS GOOD



TEO, lets stop this nonesence and post pics of CURRENT rebuild SmileWavy

Woo hoo thats what Im talkin about!!! :D

Here are some pics of the build....

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1236617937.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1236618028.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1236618112.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1236618180.jpg


And finally as of Friday afternoon...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1236618260.jpg

Today at 9M they received the seal for the fuel pressure regulator (it was faulty) and it will be fitted tomorrow.

Colin is on holiday this week. He knows what's waiting for him upon his return on Monday.

Congratulations Matteo!!! It looks awesome. Please post a dyno sheet and specs when all is said & done!

Matteo,
Good to see it back in good form, enjoy!

Woo hoo thats what I'm talkin about!!! :D I am so looking forward to seeing the specs on the first run!

cant wait to see this back on the road again

that looks like a large displacement engine!!!

congrats, i have heard nothing but good things about 9M

Looks great Matteo! Lets hope this one rocks and stays in one piece! You're a nice guy, and deserve a little luck!

Congrats...........looks great! Hope to hear and see it on youtube.....

Matteo,

Looking good mate - so may get to introduce her to the 72t (now it has life) sooner than expected :)

Take care.

Martin

Sorry if I missed it in the thread but, what are the specs of the new motor?

For anyone - can you take a look at the merit of Timmin's discussion below - so some of us can better understand the logic being used.. Are there plenty of 911 motors around - running properly when the case has undergone welding ? He seems to suggest it's feasible.


EVERY one of your listed complaints has no bearing on the failure.

As for the bent case, fine, send it back and I will send you $2000… It was repaired, bored to the larger cylinders, and then checked for alignment. Anyone who knows 911 engines will tell you that if the case is even minutely out of alignment then the crank will not spin freely. If it did cause issues it woudl undoubtably be immediate.

EVERY one of your listed complaints has no bearing on the failure.


…Kinda like the dings in the distributor gear. Hmmn. Guess who pulled the distributor when he thought the Hall Effect sensor wasn't working, (which turned out not ot be the case) yeah, I'll give you a hint, he also filled the motor with gas. Bottom line on that though is that it didn't have anything to do with the rod failure.

...no idea what he is referring to on the Hall sensor.)
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'82 Targa - sold

.."nuf already with this guy. He's a whiner, and has an excuse for everything imaginable. People like this never get it, and will never step-up to the plate... let's move on.

Mateo, Glad to see you're almost back in action. The motor looks great! Can't wait to hear how that baby sings. :)

.."nuf already with this guy. He's a whiner, and has an excuse for everything imaginable. People like this never get it, and will never step-up to the plate... let's move on.

Sure - we're all moving on whether we like it or not....the fiasco is behind us - however, it's good just for the purposes of general education to try and comprehend his text.....so that you, me or someone else doesn't find themselves trapped in the same type of predicament. Aircooled flat six motors are pretty sensitive to any - and all type of oversights..

Guys are here in number who know about welded cases - who can speak one way or the other....on how dangerous it is in terms of failure.


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You need to ask yourself one question. If you spent big money on a build like this, would you want a case resurrected from a scrap heap? IMO, a case can be screwed and still allow the crank to turn. It doesn't have to be black or white.

Why......WHY would anyone use a damaged case on a $40k motor build, or a $10K build for that matter when there are good cases available. As a % of the total investment it is not significant.

The only reason I can think of is to improve the margin on the project. Use a junk...yes I said junk case and be $2000.00 to the good. But what about the down side for the client and your reputation.

Well we have the answer for reputation.

Fraud may be too strong but if I paid for a first class build and found junk parts I might be thinking fraud. This is beyond a simple oversight, he had to think about it before he decided to use a welded case and not give the client the opportunity to accept this choice.

Regardless of the outcome of the motor when you pay for a level of product and have repaired parts used without notice we are talking MM type treatment.

Engine looks great in the car Matteo, glad your nearly back on the road.

Look forward to seeing the car back on the track.

Guys I personally just want to put this incident behind me.

I don't want to waste anymore time with Timmins.

It may well be that the blow up was caused by the case.

But in a court of law, in the US, with a US defendant, a professor, against a Euro trash that spent a lot on a motor, took it to Europe and then on the track it is going to be a difficult case to make.

To me it's not worth it. I am a trader in the financial markets. I weigh the odds every day, calculate the possible payouts of every single trade. Balance the risks against the possible rewards.

In this case it's not worth my time, the stress etc.

Timmins will pay one way or another. I am not after him. I just want to drive my car. This has been just another chapter (albeit an unfortunate one).

I think a discussion about repaired cases and how well they hold up in a motor spinning at 8k rpm is a valid one. But maybe it calls for a new thread.

And gentlemen I really sincerely appreciate all your kind words and support. It means a lot.

But do not feel to sorry for me. I have aa wonderful healthy family. I have been blessed by working succesfully for my own company and by having the possibility to go after my dream 911.

It's not as if I was forced to sell the whole thing, is it? I mean I fell on my feet with 9M (if not better than what the previous moter had ever been).

Plus for all the time the 911 was down I was able to drive around in this.... ;)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1236674784.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1236674854.jpg


Life has been good. I am in credit with fortune. Let's look at the bright side!

It is a 3.8L (993 club sport P&C) with individual throttle bodies managed by a Motec 600 ECU.

The other interesting bits are the Carrillo rods, the DC-62 cams and the Ninemeister billet heads.

The estimated power output is between 400 and 425hp @ 7,400rpm with torque of around 440 NM (325 lb/ft) from 5,000rpm (with 80% avaliable at 3,500).

We'll see.

It certainly not going to be any slower than before...

Matteo,

I'm doing a 3.8 RSR spec motor with 50mm PMO's on my 74 widebody, mate your project has inspired me, awsome car mate.

Matt