What can I get for my SC?

[}{arlequin]

Originally posted by Halm
I paid top dollar for what I believe to be a much nicer car

what made it nicer?

[Cory M]

$15-16k

[DW SD]

The tough part is the delta between what you can build it for and what common rationale is about what you should pay. Seems like everyone I know that shops for a track car or modified car thinks they should pay $0.50 on the dollar based on the receipts (or less). If you think you may want something similar in the future, getting stuck with paying for the build a second time would suck! It is probably worth keeping it on those grounds alone.

You have a limited pool of buyers with a track car, which is a negative. A pristine and 100% stock SC may appreal to the greatest pool of buyers and be worth $15k to $16k, in near perfect shape, possibly more, but outstanding 84+ Carreras are in that neighborhood. If you want to maximize your money - either sell it for full boat to someone who REALLY wants a nicely prepped track car or return it to stock and sell off your track modifications.

Not sure if that helps. it is just another opinion.
I think you should keep it.

Doug

[Halm]

Originally posted by }{arlequin
what made it nicer?

Excellent question: more original, full rebuild (not a topend), different up grades, working / great A/C, excellent paint are the things that come to mind immediately. But for me the bigger issue -and please note I said "for me"- is that this car has several track options and has been tracked. I would probably not even look at it if I were still in the market. IMHO, unless you are looking for a track car, then tracking it lowers the value because of the inherently great wear.

[Rick Lee]

Fortunately, I have no interest in appealing to the largest pool of buyers and it won't kill me if I don't sell the car and just keep doing DE's with it. My biggest gripe is that I can't drive this car nearly as much as I want to. This car will never sell to someone who hasn't done some of their own work on a 911 before. Serious DIY track rats know exactly what it takes to make such a car and they will find it a bargain. But then I guess the the track rats who've never touched a wrench and have their shop do everything will find it even more of a bargain.

I know plenty of people with gorgeous garage queens and I'd never pay a premium for those cars. In fact, my SC was just such a car before I bought it. It looked nearly concourse. As soon as I got it, because I drive the hell out of it, things started going wrong and that's when I made the commitment to sort EVERYTHING out so I'd not have to worry about anything for a long time to come. I even removed the valve covers and checked the head studs before I bought it. Two months after I got it, I went to do a valve adj. and two head studs came rolling out. The previous owner put something like 2k miles on it in four years. That makes a car less valuable to me. Anyway, it's on Rennlist and Dorkiphus for $20k now. If it doesn't sell, I have about five more DE's to do before I'll start wondering what to do next. Maybe circumstances will have changed by then and I'll be able to exercise her more.

[}{arlequin]

wow. in that case you stole that car. great deal.

i'm more track oriented and i seek out track mods. knowing i had a perfect car but still have to put another 5k+ into it for track stuff would be a killer for me. i think that's the point, if you want a pristine "normal" sc, look elsewhere. if you want to hit the track, then this is the car for it.

[Eli K]

Originally posted by Halm
Excellent question: more original, full rebuild (not a topend), different up grades, working / great A/C, excellent paint are the things that come to mind immediately. But for me the bigger issue -and please note I said "for me"- is that this car has several track options and has been tracked. I would probably not even look at it if I were still in the market. IMHO, unless you are looking for a track car, then tracking it lowers the value because of the inherently great wear.

Both sound like nice examples...although RL's is intended for a slightly different audience....

[Rick964]

The problem with track cars is finding the right buyer. To me those track mods are valuable and I would pay extra for a car that has them already done, to a guy who wants a nice SC street or weekend driver then those mods are woth zero. In fact many people will turn away from a car that has been tracked assuming that means it has beat to heck and not realizing that many of us track junkies actually take much better care of track cars then we would street cars because of the potential negative effect on safety.

I mentioned that I paid $16k for an 80 SC with stock motor and suspension, but I'll give a bit more detail. The car had a new clutch, rebuild trans, Carrera oil cooler, pop off vavle, Carrera tensioners, H4 headlights, nice reapaint, flawless interior and ice cold a/c.

[VaSteve]

Originally posted by Rick964
ice cold a/c.

See of course now we know it's BS.

[}{arlequin]

there are cars for people to drive around to the picnic in and then there are cars for people to take to the track. neither individuals care about 'the other' type of car. makes sense, until the picnic driver takes his car "just once" to the track and realizes how much he will have to buy/change so he can safely/confidently do it again.

[Rick Lee]

Originally posted by }{arlequin
there are cars for people to drive around to the picnic in and then there are cars for people to take to the track. neither individuals care about 'the other' type of car. makes sense, until the picnic driver takes his car "just once" to the track and realizes how much he will have to buy/change so he can safely/confidently do it again.

Ain't that the truth. Luckily, I ran the 993 into a wall before I got too far down the track conversion road with that car. Now it's restored to concourse condition and shall remain so. The SC is the car I am fearless in. And someone who understands DE conversion work will know this car is perfect for a very fair price.

[bigchillcar]

rick..it's on rennlist..did you not post it in pelican's classifieds as well?
ryan

[Rick Lee]

Probably will.

[J Smith]

Listen up people, this is a damn nice car. And it's also got one seriously sweet exhaust note. I've ridden in it, and seen it perform on the track. Buy it and drive it. That's basically it.

Ya know how guys at the track are always tinkering with something on their car between sessions because it's not working right, well, that's not this car.
RL is the guy you see relaxing in his chair while others scramble around trying to get everything working right before the next session.

I wish this was a year ago before I dumped way too much money into my '87 in track mods. I'd snatch this up. Knowing what I know now, $20K ain't such a bad price.

[Rick Lee]

Thanks man. I wasn't gonna say it for fear of offending others. But it's true that I have never missed a second of track time with this car. Every DE I see people coming in early because of high oil temps or this or that problem. In fact, }{arlequin ran a session in my car because his Pertronix was having issues when his session was starting. Once in a while I get lazy at home and leave a brake flush until I get to the track and do it in the paddock. I once removed my oil cooler to clean it off and replace two flex lines between sessions. But I never missed a second track time for it. Only time I've ever come in early was because I had simply had enough; NNJR PCA was giving something like 5-6 25 min. sessions per day that time and I just couldn't take it anymore.

[Rick964]

Originally posted by VaSteve
See of course now we know it's BS.

I know it is hard to believe and all the talk about crappy a/c in these cars kept me from even looking at them. Then I was talked into going to see this car by my mechanic and I was shocked how well it cooled. A couple of days ago is was 80 degrees out and the a/c on its lowest fan setting and max cool setting was perfectly comfortable in the car, on the middle fan setting I was getting frozen. My car does have the extra vents added underdash and my shop said it had all their tricks done. I don't know what those tricks are but the compressor and condensors are stock and original. It is cold though.

[Nader]

#1. I think people who are track-savvy also know that track mods return pennies on the dollar at resale, and are expecting that to be reflected in the price. I remember several SCs here with 3.6 transplants along with the big brakes and suspension mods to match (the ubiquitous $70K SC) that went for the $30's. So if a solid stock SC gets around 12K, and G50 Carreras less than 20, you won't be selling soon.

#2. Don't race the car you're selling.

[holtjv]

I'd pay 20 for it. It's essentially what I have into my car which isn't in the same "zipcode", unfortunately.