I make Parallel Flow Micro-Channel Condensers for 911's front and rear

[brads911sc]

1. cost? for each component? as well as in the kit? What is included in your kit? For example, If I change my condenser, Ill also need a drier and expansion valve. Will you sell the drier or will you have a vendor you work with on that? It would be pointless to change a condenser and not change old leaky hoses and o-rings. I guanantee you Reid, if you sell a condener, and a user doesnt get the performance you are advertising, they WILL blame you and your condenser. That is why Griff and Rennaire sell kits and why they disacourage small incremental changes unless everything has been upgraded already. Good way to gain a poor (word of mouth) reputation... not to mention lawsuits and returns.

2. weight?

3. selling points over a well designed kit by Griff and Rennaire who have already proven 35 degree temps WITH 95 degree ambients and "OLD" technology. for anyone who has ice cold AC in a hot climate and has spent $$ why would they dump a working system? Just because its newer technology?

4. What problem are you trying to solve? Does your product solve that problem? Poor vent temps are not a problem... Griff already solved that. So what is the problem this addresses? Is it the Griff cost? Can you really make a product that will last 10 years, provide 35 degree vent temps, and charge the consumer less than $289?

5. Have you done a market study/analysis? How many pre 89 911's are registered today, how many have an aftermarket kit like Griff? How many of the owners have owned their car for over 5 years (they probably wouldnt spend the $$ if they havent spent it in the first 5 years). What is your breakeven point for production numbers? Assume a $300 price point.

6. Have you prepared a technical Q&A with ALL questions answered?

7. Filter vs No Filter? if you site a list of filters from 20 years ago that doesnt fit a car made after 1998, you lose credibility. If you site AC manufacturers and words like "every" and "all" when in fact 5 of the 6 top auto manufactures (Toyota, VW, Honda, Ford, Chrysler) use no such device, you lose credibility. In fact, the ONLY car manufacturer that actually uses a filter in a post 2005 car is GM.

8. Fans vs No Fans?

9. Proof of your products superiority? if you site research for Serpentine Vs Yours and it doesnt even compare Serpentine but rather tube and fin, you lose credibility.

10. Non-Barrier hose issue? you give us pictures of a chinese vacuum pump and just tell us to add refrigerant every year? Seriously? That is not a solution.

11. Engine temps. With Factory AC, With your AC. Same ambients/humidity. Side by side comaprison in 4-5 different climates.

12. What about that research you posted that is mixed at best against the original design and doesnt even apply to serpentine. Where is the Serpentine vs your product research? data? real world testing? side by side comparisons? We have NEVER seen it!

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by ppickerell

Stalker much? What is wrong with an entrepenuer testing the waters to see if interest will support production?

Absolutely not. On either count.

Gauging market interest is fundamental if you plan on making any kind of successful go. For any product.

This particular approach seems strange to me - I have never seen market research performed in this manner (if that is indeed what it is).

It would be insteresting to learn if this is really just market research, or if he's actually got real production planned. Aside from the actual technical questions, that is.

[douglas bray]

Originally Posted by brads911sc

douglas. wouldnt you want my 12 questions answered before making an informed decision? this is a tech forum. Ive yet to see ANY tech except 20 year old parts lists, unsubstantiated claims that cant be proven, and articles that are neutral at best.. if he answers my 12 questions, the skeptics will be answered... his avoidance of the questions are why we are still talking about this at all! questions 11 and 12 involve real world testing. real world does not equal his car and his buddies car down in S Florida.

the only "updated" (from factory) system (that means complete kit) is made by Retroaire, Griffiths and Rennaire.

I never saw Reid's "system". in fact he keeps telling us all he isnt selling anything at all...

[Scott R]

There is a well known exhaust manufacturer on this board that does their marketing by sending prototypes out to members, seems to have been very successful.

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by douglas bray

KelogGes, Thank you for your time and efforts in developing an updated A/C system for our cars.

It is unreal how rude you have been treated here. This is normal fair for Pelican, doesn't make it right.

Thanks Douglas for your kind comments

I have been on the internet since 1986 before most people even knew it existed and participated in many discussion groups but I did not know the crap that is rampant here is normal fair until, recently when I tried to start a very technical tread here for something new and I had wanted to bring into some highly knowledge engineers & a/c techs and a few people with many years working on 911s.

In the first few days of trying to set this up after only making the new with a few posts saying what the tread would be about and was getting a group of highly knowledgeable people together to participate; tons of drive by idiots began posting nothing but crap posts and pictures trying to be funny before anything substantial was even posted and ruined it so I abandoned it

I have recently discovered some very new cutting edge extremely efficient PFC technology an engineering company has offered to make available to me for a new heat exchanger 911 a/c condenser besides what I have successfully engineered prototyped & very successfully tested that no one else has and I think due to my disgust and frustration from a few people here flaming me I am going to take this new information and discussion about it someplace else less toxic

There are a few people here unfortunately just do not get it; I am not an air conditioning company I am only an engineer working alone inventing new things with what I believe and know and can prove are better and newer ways to make things work BETTER than is currently available by others stuck in their ways using older technology

[Ronnie's.930]

KelogGes, I don't think you realize that much of the "negativity" thrown your way has been self-generated. Your rhetoric regarding "old/obsolete technology" that many here buy and use to great success is highly offensive to those that develop, sell, buy and use these systems. Your often pompous attitudes toward anything other than your own creations beg for like responses!

[KelogGes]

I have designed a superb performance and extremely efficient 911 custom made parallel flow micro-channel condenser using state of the art technologies!


I am proud of what I have created and I strongly believe my PF’s are the best solution in the world for the owners of early model Porsche 911 A/C design condenser problem at this point in time, and I believe that in most owner climate situations in normal ambient temperatures all that is needed for excellent 911 a/c system cooling temps is only a front and rear PFC using state of the art technologies!

For a year here I have kept anything to do with the business of selling my PFC’s here out of any discussions and have been only discussing my progress with what I have designed!

I AM NOT AN AUTOMOTIVE AIR CONDITIONING COMPANY!!! I am the only person I know in the world who actually personally makes their own condensers!
There is no competitor that sells 911 condensers to my knowledge that does not have someone else make what they sell themself

I am only a simple marine engineer with what I believe and know is a much better new A/C idea, that has carefully developed designed engineered & very successfully tested a new technology type of condensers specifically designed for early model 911s.

I have yet to offer anything for sale at Pelican Parts or the general public and have only made my PFC’s locally available through Stokes Automotive in Fort Lauderdale and have more test demonstrations coming

I am not interested in mass sales! I want a one on one relationship with anyone who wants what I make, and I am not sure this can be done with Pelican parts?
There are several a/c system installation variables for the different early model 911s and my PFC’s will fit into them all with some minor installation adjustments.

Recently there have been several questions put to me here that Specifically relate to The Business OF Selling by a few people here who have no intension of buying anything and I am going to ignore these questions at this time and only answer what I think is appropriate to say!

The Cost for my matched set of PFC’s which also includes my custom made a/c filter in a matched PFC set configuration only, will be $350.00 for the front clip PFC and $450.00 the rear deck lid contour PFC for a total price of $850.00, plus shipping and insurance costs by either FedEx or UPS, and comes with a one year limited warranty.

Now that I have finally publically stated A FIRM PRICE here for my PFC’s I expect most people to seek other solutions, I know what I have after a lot of testing over the last year and I know what it can do!

FYI: If someone decides to buy a matched set of my PFC’s which includes a front PFC and contour rear deck lid I PFC and One custom made a/c system filter, I will offer a restricted 7 day money back guarantee if someone decides to return during the 7 day restricted period of time, and they will only be accepted back for refund less any shipping charges if there are absolutely no damage whatsoever!

I am realist what I have designed is not for everyone; IF I don’t have any sales from the users here at Pelican it’s OK with me, I have local sales on a one by one basis to happy clients.

I am not interested in anonymously just selling parts from a catalog to the masses

I only want happy customers! Therefore I want to personally interact with every single one of clients on a personal basis; to make sure they have a successful installation of my PFC’s on their particular 911!!!

Because I sincerely care about the satisfaction to any customer of anything I make; I will personally spend as much time as necessary assisting them in any way possible and furthermore directly answering any questions they may have before during and after installation , and also giving them excellent installation advice and assist their professionally qualified a/c installers do a proper job installing my PFC’s. As I am only supplying PF condensers and a filter that are basically simple to install and I have no control over the condition of their other a/c system components or other needs their 911 a/c system may have it will be the responsibility of the 911 owner to consult a local qualified a/c shop to assist them with the proper installation of my PFC’s, however again I will be extremely interested more than happy to help their local a/c repair shop in every way possible to help insure my PFC’s are installed to Porsche’s factory high standards to make their 911 a/c system cold

If you’re seriously interested in what I have created as an excellent solution to make your 911 cold let me know!

To the noise makers here this is "MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTIONS"

[si Banker]

My car is a 1987 Carrera and I have been wanting to make the following change which involves the AC system.

I want to eliminate the fan belt from the second pulley to the ac compressor and at the same time go from a "vee" style fan belt to a cogged belt or a or a flat belt. There would only be one belt to drive the fan, engine , and ac compressor.

This change would changing the engine pulley, ac pulley and the fan pulley and the fan belt.

The reason for this change is because there would be less drag on a cogged belt syatem and would be less of a drag and by using aluminum pulleys the weight reduction on the motor would be good for some hp gain. What do you think?

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930

KelogGes, I don't think you realize that much of the "negativity" thrown your way has been self-generated. Your rhetoric regarding "old/obsolete technology" that many here buy and use to great success is highly offensive to those that develop, sell, buy and use these systems. Your often pompous attitudes toward anything other than your own creations beg for like responses!

Even worse, Reid thinks that somehow he is allowed to snipe and name-call, but should then invoke Wayne's post to shield himself. Since October, when I first became interested in what Reid was doing, he managed to alienate quite a few people. He lost me as a potenital customer when he started telling everyone that he wasn't selling anything. Well, thank goodness that particular untruth has finally been laid to rest. A firm price! After MONTHS of asking and evasions of "I'm not selling anything". LOL.

I would really have loved to see some actual technical discussion, instead of Reid's constant claims and self-promotion. Are there really any posts from him that don't include verbiage about how great he is?

I would, however, like to thank him for giving me the information and tools to select the proper upgrades for my Carrera. Sometimes, buying the latest and greatest means you'll be a beta tester for the product. When it comes to my Porsche, I prefer to not beta test.

I wish him luck in trying to sell his stuff, but I think after all I've seen that I'll continue to recommend parts and service from the established sellers. When the reports from real Pelikaners come in about his stuff/service, I suspect those posts will speak for themselves.

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930

KelogGes, I don't think you realize that much of the "negativity" thrown your way has been self-generated. Your rhetoric regarding "old/obsolete technology" that many here buy and use to great success is highly offensive to those that develop, sell, buy and use these systems. Your often pompous attitudes toward anything other than your own creations beg for like responses!

Thank you Ronnie for your observation, its well taken!

your probably right

but the whole purpose of this tread and why i started it in the first place is new a/c technology over old because it works much better

The early model 911 Porsche was flawed by its it's original design problem of no thought to having A/C at all and it was thrown in only as an afterthought due to demand in the US by Americans, this was ok back in the days of using only R-12 Freon, but since the change to R-134a its time for owners to adapt to newer technologies.

Because I know how its hot summer and how difficult things are financially for many people right now and I care about people not being able to afford what I am making is one of the I reasons I just uploaded the picture from one of my tests using a universal size ackits.com in Arizona PFC to try to help people save some money and to get by with that will serve them fairly well so they don’t sweat too much although it is not as efficient as what I make

You might also try to remember I have competition touting serpentine older technology too.

Please know I am not heartless and I would try to help anyone that needs help as best I can

[wwest]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Thank you Ronnie for your observation, its well taken!

your probably right

but the whole purpose of this tread and why i started it in the first place is new a/c technology over old because it works much better

The early model 911 Porsche was flawed by its it's original design problem of no thought to having A/C at all and it was thrown in only as an afterthought due to demand in the US by Americans, this was ok back in the days of using only R-12 Freon, but since the change to R-134a its time for owners to adapt to newer technologies.

Because I know how its hot summer and how difficult things are financially for many people right now and I care about people not being able to afford what I am making is one of the I reasons I just uploaded the picture from one of my tests using a universal size ackits.com in Arizona PFC to try to help people save some money and to get by with that will serve them fairly well so they don’t sweat too much although it is not as efficient as what I make

You might also try to remember I have competition touting serpentine older technology too.

Please know I am not heartless and I would try to help anyone that needs help as best I can

Reid, methinks that maybe your real problem was that you were born way to late. All the problems you appear to be working to solve were solved long ago by persons born long before you.

R-134a didn't create this problem, it existed throughout the era of R12 use.

You should find, and solve a problem with more currency.

Say like using A/C refrigerant to cool a pressurized intake charge via the use of a "blend door" concept.

That would enable Ford to use the standard compression for DFI, ~12:1 on their ECoBoost/TwinForce engines and still turbocharge those engines without derated/detuning them, 10:1 CR, to make "room" for boost pressure.

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by si Banker

My car is a 1987 Carrera and I have been wanting to make the following change which involves the AC system.

I want to eliminate the fan belt from the second pulley to the ac compressor and at the same time go from a "vee" style fan belt to a cogged belt or a or a flat belt. There would only be one belt to drive the fan, engine , and ac compressor.

This change would changing the engine pulley, ac pulley and the fan pulley and the fan belt.

The reason for this change is because there would be less drag on a cogged belt syatem and would be less of a drag and by using aluminum pulleys the weight reduction on the motor would be good for some hp gain. What do you think?

Howdy si Banker, first I think what you are calling a cogged belt, you mean what is actually called a serpentine belt to change your currently installed V-Belt to.
(no relationship to serpentine heat exchanger coil)

In my opinion Engineering wise to change to a single serpentine driven belt from “ONLY two V-belts”, with the size of the three pulleys drive ratios remaining the same you would not gain any positive horse power gain more than negligible. Plus the cost to change over all your current V-belt pulleys to serpentine would not be cheap, and furthermore changing their metal from steel to aluminum or other light metal alloy benefit would also be negligible unless perhaps the purpose was racing weight reduction

However due to newer advancements in a/c compressor technologies you can have a horsepower gain advantage by changing your compressor to one of the several new types!!! I have not done a thorough horsepower gain verses a/c compressor efficiency effectiveness performance comprehensive analysis therefore I cannot effectively recommend the best ones for you to use, but you might find useful studies available from the different a/c compressor manufacturers or by searching the internet wealth of information.

NOTE: Horsepower output DRAW = FUEL consumption; an a/c compressor is an additional engine horsepower draw to perform its function of refrigerant compression and you might find some valuable a/c compressor recommendations from discussion groups related to automobile racing.

[KelogGes]

I Have Something New under developement for various early model 911 A/C Condensers; front and rear fender wells and side bumper placement for State of the Art PFC the highest Efficiency and Performance second to none!




patent pending




automotive evolution of a/c condenser heat exchanger technology old to new>

[Josh D]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Howdy Josh,

Thanks for joining my PFC discussion; Finally a PFC believer has come here actually personally using a 911 rear deck lid PFC

Be so kind to Tell the folks here your engine oil temps when your ambient temps are 105 and your running only one rear deck lid PFC and your vent temps

I have measured 43* vent temps at ambient temps of 100*+ with the single decklid condenser. This is with a meat thermometer stuck in the vent and blower on high (upgraded Retro Air evap blower motor) after about 20 min of driving. That's driving during the daytime with direct sun after pulling the car from the garage. It gets much colder when the sun goes down and not competing with the greenhouse affect. If it's been in the sun at 100*+ and becomes heat soaked, It will cool down the interior in about 15 min., but I'm guessing vent temps are only in the 50's. In the evening when the sun is down, but temps are still in the mid to high 90's, the vent temps are bone chilling cold, but I haven't measured.

My oil temps range between 180* and 200*. I did see about 210* once when idling in 100*+ waiting for my daughter at school. Temp dropped quickly when I started moving again. I have the 28 row brass aux oil cooler and the temp sender is less than a year old.

The Retro Air PFC rear decklid condenser, as mentioned before, isn't a perfect fit to the opening of the decklid. It leaves a few inches of gap on either side. I fabricated block off's for these gaps with aluminum treadplate. Easy to do and prevents air from diverting around the condenser.

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by Josh D

I have measured 43* vent temps at ambient temps of 100*+ with the single decklid condenser. This is with a meat thermometer stuck in the vent and blower on high (upgraded Retro Air evap blower motor) after about 20 min of driving. That's driving during the daytime with direct sun after pulling the car from the garage. It gets much colder when the sun goes down and not competing with the greenhouse affect. If it's been in the sun at 100*+ and becomes heat soaked, It will cool down the interior in about 15 min., but I'm guessing vent temps are only in the 50's. In the evening when the sun is down, but temps are still in the mid to high 90's, the vent temps are bone chilling cold, but I haven't measured.

My oil temps range between 180* and 200*. I did see about 210* once when idling in 100*+ waiting for my daughter at school. Temp dropped quickly when I started moving again. I have the 28 row brass aux oil cooler and the temp sender is less than a year old.

The Retro Air PFC rear decklid condenser, as mentioned before, isn't a perfect fit to the opening of the decklid. It leaves a few inches of gap on either side. I fabricated block off's for these gaps with aluminum treadplate. Easy to do and prevents air from diverting around the condenser.

Excellent info reply Thank You Very Much Josh!

I would like to encourage you to interact with the readers here, your experiences with your Retro Air PFC are very useful to others about how well the technology of actually using PFC’s and very much ON-TOPIC; and furthermore especially because you also live in the desert, and if I can help you in anyway with the knowledge or experienced I have I would be more than happy too!!!

I have been waiting for a year now for someone like you, running either a Retro Air pfc rear unit or one by ackits pfc in their 911 to wonder into this tread but in all this time you have been the first so far.

But you are even a better godsend (smile) you live in in The Mojave desert in Gilbert just outside Phoenix, and being from Calif I have been in your neck of the words many times including your very hot and dry summer weather in many travels along I-10 which includes Phoenix. I am more than very interested in your a/c cooling in your 911 experiences in all kinds of driving conditions. Not trying to sell you anything but fyi a better higher performance front condenser with modified front blowers then 911 OEM would give you even better a/c temps in stop and go and extended idling conditions.

I got into the insanity of making my own PFC’s only being dissatisfied after trying and fully testing the very same PFC you have and are using and decided it was just not good enough for what I personally wanted, because I wanted colder. I GOT ANGRY that although this same pfc worked better in my rear deck lid than anything else available at the time, but it still was not good enough for me because I wanted lower and faster a/c cooling temps than this same PFC efficiency/performance could produce you are using, so I decided to made my own that is far better for many reasons; and this is what lead me to what I am doing now, after successfully reaching my PFC efficiency/performance goals down to and below 32F @ 95F ambient and 99/100 % humidity in all kinds of driving conditions.

(NOTE to the reader here: ACKITS in Arizona sells the same PFC Retro Air has far cheaper for those on a budget! And if anyone wants one of these universal PFC’s let me know, I have one would let go for a very good price I have no further use for)


Your oil temps are perfectly within normal Porsche factory 911 ranges for even a 911 in only 80-85 degree ambient temps not even running any A/C at all, I am actually a bit surprised your oil temps were not a little bit higher at 100 F ambient. On my 75 Carrera all though I still have the factory OEM oil cooler in the right front fender I have not used it in a couple of years and left the oil lines disconnected and still running front and rear a/c condensers with all my rear PFC dumping extra heat into the engine compartment, ohh and my rear deck lid PFC absolutely completely sealed over the fresh air inlet hole forcing ALL incoming ambient air into my deck lid air inlet first THROUGH the PFC

I have a question for you about your rear pfc, did you decide yourself to fully seal your condenser yourself to the inside of the deck lid or did you do this because Retro Air suggest this too you? You have no idea how many un-knowledgeable people believe stupidly this causes engine harm I have had to clue in about this and set them straight. Even Porsche factory

When I read my naysayers here touting their older technology condensers in what I consider to be obsolete technology filling up and wasting page after page of this tread with all their useless NOISE posts, it’s refreshing you came along when you did and now we can get back on topic

Your 43 F a/c air vent temps are very similar to what I was here in Fort Lauderdale at 95 F and 99 % high humidity getting running with the same universal size PFC you have except I bought mine from ACKITS.

When I get a chance I will say more in another post of my reasons I found the PFC you are using I rejected using it and went on to make my own

Last but not least (Josh I have another new interesting idea, to my knowledge no one has ever tried before on an early model 911 a/c, and I have been talking to the chief engineer about it in a technical engineering discussion the other day of a major a/c company about it and he agrees with me, and actually told me the same thing before I had even had a chance to tell him (grin) Anyway I have not tested this idea yet but I plan to soon. The belief from an engineering point of view in a very simple different way of thinking, It is possible to enhance and give a 911 a/c system for probably about $100 lower air vent temps without changing any components.)


Look closely on my picture below of the same rear PFC you are using and notice at the out-side edges I was using clear plastic in testing to fully seal any air inlet and PFC air leaks to force ALL INCOMING AIR THROUGH THE PFC so none could escape around it. There is further soft rubber insulation sealing you can not see that fully seals the PFC

[KelogGes]

Look closely on my picture of the same rear PFC you are using and notice at the out-side edges I was using clear plastic in testing to fully seal any air inlet and PFC air leaks to force ALL INCOMING AIR THROUGH THE PFC so none could escape around it.

Some of the problems with this pfc are

#one 5-6 or so rows of micro-channel tubes below the deck lid intake air opening doing nothing but receiving high radiant engine extra heat instead of getting rid of dumping part of the PFC heat defeating their purpose, because this PFC is way too long for the deck lid air intake hole in one of its dimensions!

#Two a further waste of approximately 20-25 % cubic feet side width other dimension is not long enough for the PFC width of the deck lid air opening; "THAT FURTHER DEFEATS the Porsche early model 911 well known Porsche Factory body design flaw of not having enough cubic feet of room in the first place for the A/C condenser!

#Three this PFC is only an "early type PFC micro-channel technology & ONLY A single pass PFC";

However any 911 rear deck lid PFC even this one is at least better than any older 911 technology condenser therefore it is an improvement (smile)
This ACKITS.COM PFC might work ok for someone who lives in lower ambient temps and/or on a tight budget looking for an inexpensive PFC a/c solution

Oh by the way the black horizontal mark above the black hoses is compressor oil and refridgernt leak caused by my prior a/c compressor before I replaced my old one with a new one, this is a tell tale SIGN mark if you see one similar in this area on your deck lid its time for you to think about getting a new compressor

[wwest]

What is the purpose of the wiring I see above the right hinge area..?

[Josh D]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Not trying to sell you anything but fyi a better higher performance front condenser with modified front blowers then 911 OEM would give you even better a/c temps in stop and go and extended idling conditions.

I agree. After removing the front condensor to clean during the A/C retrofit, the fins were brittle and breaking off in my hands. It's something I'll do down the road. The original front condenser blower motor was siezed and I replaced it when I still had the stock system in place. It seems to move plenty of air, but it's flow is not uniform over the condenser.

(NOTE to the reader here: ACKITS in Arizona sells the same PFC Retro Air has far cheaper for those on a budget! And if anyone wants one of these universal PFC’s let me know, I have one would let go for a very good price I have no further use for)

The PFC condenser came as part of a kit. Sure, I probably could have saved some dough piece milling the system together by purchasing parts from various vendors and having the hoses custom made. But who has the time? I would gladly spend a few extra bucks purchasing a made to fit kit with vendor support if needed, or problems with any of the components. I shopped all of the "big three" 911 A/C vendors and went with Retro Air because they had what I wanted and needed at a very competative price compared to the others. I have no regrets (other than I wish I would have added a PFC or serpentine front condenser).


Your oil temps are perfectly within normal Porsche factory 911 ranges for even a 911 in only 80-85 degree ambient temps not even running any A/C at all, I am actually a bit surprised your oil temps were not a little bit higher at 100 F ambient. On my 75 Carrera all though I still have the factory OEM oil cooler in the right front fender I have not used it in a couple of years and left the oil lines disconnected and still running front and rear a/c condensers with all my rear PFC dumping extra heat into the engine compartment, ohh and my rear deck lid PFC absolutely completely sealed over the fresh air inlet hole forcing ALL incoming ambient air into my deck lid air inlet first THROUGH the PFC

All I can say here is that maybe it's due to mine being a Euro model with more ignition advance, a richer fuel mixture, and no hot catalytic converter.

I have a question for you about your rear pfc, did you decide yourself to fully seal your condenser yourself to the inside of the deck lid or did you do this because Retro Air suggest this too you?

It was my idea and easily executed. I figured the more flow through the condenser was better, and the stock condenser had similar plates installed from the factory.

Answers in RED

[Josh D]

Originally Posted by wwest

What is the purpose of the wiring I see above the right hinge area..?

Thats the wiring for the (gasp!) cyclop third brake light above the turbo tail. Trust me, the turbo tail is the next thing to go!!

[Josh D]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Some of the problems with this pfc are

#one 5-6 or so rows of micro-channel tubes below the deck lid intake air opening doing nothing but receiving high radiant engine extra heat instead of getting rid of dumping part of the PFC heat defeating their purpose, because this PFC is way too long for the deck lid air intake hole in one of its dimensions!

I agree, it could be a better fit. However, I don't believe the few rows that are not in the direct airflow are subject to radiant engine heat. The whole ingine compartment will be a slight negative pressure with the engine running as the engine fan is drawing all the air and pushing it underneath the vehicle. At worse its creating air turbulence for these few rows which will still remove some heat from it. I don't see engine heat radiating against the airflow.

#Two a further waste of approximately 20-25 % cubic feet side width other dimension is not long enough for the PFC width of the deck lid air opening; "THAT FURTHER DEFEATS the Porsche early model 911 well known Porsche Factory body design flaw of not having enough cubic feet of room in the first place for the A/C condenser!

Again, I agree, could be a better fit. One side will always fall short of the decklid opening due to the need of space for the hose connections, but the overall width should be expanded to cover as much of the decklid opening as possible. If you really wanted to do it right, design a decklid that has a bigger opening to accomodate a bigger condenser. Modifiy a fiberglass decklid to accomodate a bigger condenser and market that as part of a condenser package. If it could be done tastefully, and incorporate say, a ducktail, I would consider that long before I'd consider sticking addition condensers in the wheelwells. My car has a turbo tail (yuck) that I could easily add more condenser to in series. What prevents me from doing this is the turbo tail will sooner or later (hopefully sooner) go away and I don't want the additional weight or hoses/fittings in the system.

My humble opinions.