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GH85Carrera 06-18-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by brads911sc (Post 7503495)
Well said gents... His endless vituperations on griff are astounding. i really have no dog in this fight. i spent my cash and have cold ac...but he needs put down like a sick old dog... Carry on..

I agree.

I spent the cash for a Griff system. It flat works as advertised. Cold air and no more leaks. End of discussion.

Fans and a switch will not make cold air on a hot day in a 911.

Bob Kontak 06-18-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 7504357)
I set up my trinary switch to trigger three other trinary switches............

Outstanding!

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 7504555)
switch will not make cold air on a hot day in a 911.

See immediately above. Under no circumstances will one switch ever be tolerated again.

GH85 meet Pazuzu, the new Jack Olson's Garage of DIY switching configuration technology.

brads911sc 06-18-2013 11:38 AM

WWEST

Can you please instruct the group on the data you collected in the google lab on this matter so that we are better able to choose our components wisely and not waste our cash on snake oil solutions like single trinary switches and worthless fans...


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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7504659)
Outstanding!



See immediately above. Under no circumstances will one switch ever be tolerated again.

GH85 meet Pazuzu, the new Jack Olson's Garage of DIY switching configuration technology.


SilberUrS6 06-18-2013 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by brads911sc (Post 7504695)
WWEST

Can you please instruct the group on the data you collected in the google lab on this matter so that we are better able to choose out components wisely and not waste our cash on snake oil solutions like single trinary switches and worthless fans...

That's the spirit, Brad.

I think Bob has really raised the bar for these threads. The ONC welcomes our new brother.

[raises glass, while saying "NAY!"]

Bob Kontak 06-18-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SilberUrS6 (Post 7504699)
[raises glass, while saying "NAY!"]

I love you, Broseph!

Bob Kontak 06-18-2013 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by T77911S (Post 7503976)
..............a 1 course meal.

Only after you mow the lawn.

Uh huh. You know what I am talking about.

SilberUrS6 06-18-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7504806)
Only after you mow the lawn.

Uh huh. You know what I am talking about.

Oh, yes I *do* know what you're talking about.

[blushes]

Bob Kontak 06-18-2013 03:02 PM

In a pinch, I would forge through the brush - happily.

Edit: safety glasses

wwest 06-18-2013 03:28 PM

Read Kuehl's opinion of ProCooler, Sub-Coolers...

Griffiths supplies a range of air conditioning components for your Porsche 911,911s,911t,911 turbo, and 930, such as: Porsche air conditioning upgrades, Porsche air conditioning improvements and updates: Porsche barrier hoses and hose sets, Porsche c

Now read Kuehl's description of why our non-barrier hoses leak...

Quote: You may notice small pin size holes that are evenly spaced in a line running the length of your hoses. These are "pressure relief" holes which installed by most hose manufacturers. The small holes allow pressure to escape in the event that the primary inner wall of the hose should fail under extreme pressure...."

read all, it gets even more interesting...

http://www.griffiths.com/porsche/ac/911ac/index.html#Hoses


Extreme pressure, one time, one event, and our non-barrier hoses now have a "slow leak" forever after...

brads911sc 06-18-2013 03:33 PM

This post is about r134 fittings douche nozzle. Not fans switches or anything you are discussing...you just can't help yourself...
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Read Kuehl's opinion of ProCooler, Sub-Coolers...<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.griffiths.com/porsche/ac/911ac/index.html#Driers" target="_blank">Griffiths supplies a range of air conditioning components for your Porsche 911,911s,911t,911 turbo, and 930, such as: Porsche air conditioning upgrades, Porsche air conditioning improvements and updates: Porsche barrier hoses and hose sets, Porsche c</a>

brads911sc 06-18-2013 03:35 PM

Bob... Wwest can hook you up with a douche for your brush problem...

Bob Kontak 06-18-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by brads911sc (Post 7505075)
Bob... Wwest can hook you up with a douche for your brush problem...

Really Bro? You gonna dump that unilateral, non communicative ass hat on me to help me plow through the brush to find the the sweet spot?

SilberUrS6 06-18-2013 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7505161)
Really Bro? You gonna dump that unilateral, non communicative ass hat on me to help me plow through the brush to find the the sweet spot?

It's more of a tag-team effort.

wwest 06-19-2013 07:47 AM



Caution - WARNING SmileWavy


Naysayer DEAD END at milepost #49...

Make a LEFT turn, a HARD right turn, or a U-turn immediately.;)

Bob Kontak 06-19-2013 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wwest (Post 7505062)
Extreme pressure, one time, one event, and our non-barrier hoses now have a "slow leak" forever after...

OK - this post references the "non-barrier" hose not leaking thread but what the heck.

If the inner walls were torn, surely the leak through the pin holes would be plenty faster than a "slow leak"?

Kuehl does not explain the rate of escape but neither do you, so ain't no way I am buying into this i.e., "Your quote"

Logic says, if these pin holes were to save a calamity from occurring, it would not take them two seasons to bleed off the high pressure state.

Bob Kontak 06-19-2013 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SilberUrS6 (Post 7505496)
It's more of a tag-team effort.

I'll go it alone.

Brove you, man.

brads911sc 06-19-2013 08:47 AM

What are you talking about?

Did you take your meds today?

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Originally Posted by wwest (Post 7506138)


Caution - WARNING SmileWavy


Naysayer DEAD END at milepost #49...

Make a LEFT turn, a HARD right turn, or a U-turn immediately.;)


brads911sc 06-19-2013 08:48 AM

The issue with his argument is that he has never proven that a "high pressure state" even exists or is a viable argument.

We have asked for the video. But he is stuck on providing speculation, not facts.

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7506181)
OK - this post references the "non-barrier" hose not leaking thread but what the heck.

If the inner walls were torn, surely the leak through the pin holes would be plenty faster than a "slow leak"?

Kuehl does not explain the rate of escape but neither do you, so ain't no way I am buying into this i.e., "Your quote"

Logic says, if these pin holes were to save a calamity from occurring, it would not take them two seasons to bleed off the high pressure state.


wwest 06-19-2013 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 7506181)
OK - this post references the "non-barrier" hose not leaking thread but what the heck.

If the inner walls were torn, surely the leak through the pin holes would be plenty faster than a "slow leak"?

Kuehl does not explain the rate of escape but neither do you, so ain't no way I am buying into this i.e., "Your quote"

Logic says, if these pin holes were to save a calamity from occurring, it would not take them two seasons to bleed off the high pressure state.

"..If the inner walls were torn.."

But what about high pressures that aren't quite high enough to "tear" the inner liner..??

Again, we're forced to consider the fact that seemingly this leakage does not occur other than in our air-cooled engine Porsches...

Is the use of BOV's, "fuses", and/or pressure control switches so common throughout the industry that they never encounter this issue..?? Additionally these is the issue of our primary condensor's extraordinary exposure to after-run heating from a HOT engine and even HOTTER exhaust.

So I agree, it seems that if the inner liner really seriously failed then it would not take 2 years to lose the charge.

But it REALLY helps me that Kuehl must stand by GTI's statement regardless of the actual author.

brads911sc 06-19-2013 08:59 AM

Prove your theory. Post a video!!

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Originally Posted by wwest (Post 7506280)
"..if the inner walls were torn.."

but what about high pressures that aren't quite high enough to "tear" the inner liner..??

Again, we're forced to consider the fact that seemingly this leakage does not occur other than in our air-cooled engine porsches...

Is the use of bov's, "fuses", and/or pressure control switches so common throughout the industry that they never encounter this issue..?? Additionally these is the issue of our primary condensor's extraordinary exposure to after-run heating from a hot engine and even hotter exhaust.

So i agree, it seems that if the inner liner really seriously failed then it would not take 2 years to lose the charge.

But it really helps me that kuehl must stand by gti's statement regardless of the actual author.



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