I don't understand how you perform a test on an idea that may revolutionize a system to work better/more efficient when you DON'T have a baseline, that YOU conducted, for comparison.

(Heck, you could fudge the baseline to make the new way look even better.) Not that you would but...

Without that baseline you haven't really proven the idea.

I would suggest side by side 911s, as identical as possible, with the old and new systems in place and running them on the same settings. Post your findings with the photos for proof.

I don't think anyone could disprove your theory that way.

"Why..."

To establish a "baseline"....SmileWavy

If you wish to sell your PFC, or even just promote them to show off your ingenuity, you need to have actual data to support your claims of improvement over the OEM configuration.

Since your latest "invention" appears totally illogical, readers are being quite fair in asking for data that validates your claim. Why would anyone go to the expense of "proving" out your "invention" when it seems so very obvious that any advantage it offers only exist in your mind. Waste of time and expense absent data giving validation.

My frost free frig has 2 condensers, the one on the bottom, first in the flow line, that is fan cooled, and the one on the back that just relies on convection airflow.

Other than less effectively evaporating the condensate in the drip pan, what would be the logical advantage behind reversing the order of the flow?

Or is this too "out of the box" thinking for your WIDE range of refrigeration experience and expertise?

Wayne I will respond to your post probably later today

Just know I created this thread NOT TO SELL ANYTHING I MAKE

But give something away to 911 owners and DIY'ers that is pretty cool I won't make a penny on because I am giving it away for free!

Sure I could make money with this discovery and I am SURE others will, but I have other fish to fry and don't need this for what I make, although I already use it too and you can see pictures showing it working on very happy clients 911's

REVERSING THE GASES WORKS GOOD!

Then why not testimony from those "very happy clients"...?

I assume they paid a hefty price for your ingenuity if not actual labor and parts.

In this particular case pictures appear to be worthless.

However, a before and after video of how long it takes to cool down the cabin with and without the "reverse gas flow" system enhancement would go a long way.

Once again, no one is questioning that the system will work, the problem is that simple logic dictates that there can be NO A/C performance improvement by just "reversing the flow".

One possibility jumps out at me.. that makeshift fan for the front condenser...

Was it there "before and after", or did you discover a non-working front blower after the initial non-reversal test, before the "reversal of gas flow?

In return for the time, effort, and money invested it should work BETTER than non-reversed, not just GOOD!

Howdy Wayne,

I think DIY'ers that are interested in this should test it their self on their 911 and prove it works or it doesn't for themselves; but I know it works very well

I have installed my invention 3 times on clients 911's and proved it worked excellently with my pfc's to others

I have no interest to market this that is why I am giving it away, let others prove it works, or charge big bucks to do this for you

However, I will possibly help a select group of DYI's that pool their resources together, selects one of their 911's, already have all the needed tools; buys some temporary hose and fittings and hose clamps and R134A gas etc, which will cost them (I don't know exactly) maybe 100 bucks or so???

The test car can leave everything in place For A Temporary Static TEST, (All the a/c components must already work well!!!) and including whatever needs to be disconnected, and they can connect temporarily whatever needs to be connected to prove this works; And I will tell them how to do this by giving information, to let them prove it to themselves.

Or I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN PLENTY OF INFORMATION HERE SO THEY CAN FIGURE THIS OUT AND DO IT THEIR SELF

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The Tan Swan reversing the gases
This 911 has every part of the a/c system changed into A BRAND NEW A/C SYSTEM
Using only new technology throughout
It uses a SMART VOV instead of a thermal Expansion valve notice far right SMART VOV expansion tank
IT GETS VENT TEMPS IN THE 30's without freezing

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How did you justify the cost to 3 clients without having comparison data....?

I would think at least one of them could help you remember your sales pitch.

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This evaporator Blower fan and motor pumps in 4 to 5 CFM of air for the airvents than the old OEM unit

Just Ronnie's type. He likes them, ummm, "mature".

Because when you make claims of "better", you need a BASELINE so that you can claim what your "better" means. Sure, your junk may be better than nothing. I'll spot you that one. But better than the original system? Prove it. The original system with the flow to the condensers in reverse order? Prove it. Your junk in original order? Prove it. Your junk in reverse order? PROVE IT.

Until you do, you just look silly. wwest looks like an AC scholar compared to you. I can't believe I just strung those words together.

The Tan Swan Reversing The Gases Vent Temps in the 30s
 

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Front New Design PFC high speed blower 5 times more CFM than the original OEM underpowered blower
This puppy really moves some air

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Eric, never in a zillion years would I try to "get with" your wifeypoo, and frankly, I'm hurt that you would think me capable of such a betrayal!!! :(

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Nice work, Reid. I think a very good front condenser blower is a key part of your arrangement. The 964's used a front fender condenser with a huge blower.
Thanks,
Dave

Also, too bad you don't have a baseline, Reid. But guys, think about it. When you are trying to improve a system, you make many incremental changes over time. Reid has obviously done this over a period of time. Reversal was just one of many of these steps. Each time he feels he has something better to offer.
In order to have a baseline, he would need a perfectly functioning stock system. Where is he going to get that? He gets clients with problems and tries to give them the best product he has in the current stage of his development. No baseline. Just the knowledge of each improvement working together.
Once again, his presentation is abrasive, but take his ideas as something that work, and may be better than what you now have. Maybe not. A guy doing a full a/c strip and replace may be in a position to try them.
Good luck,
Dave

THANK YOU Dave McKenz !!!

"THE TAN SWAN" A/C SYSTEM was a completely NEW engineering RE-DESIGN OF EVERYTHING on an early model 911 and converted into state of the art technology

So of course included my Proven discovery of reverse the gases from THE BLACK SWAN; as part of the TAN SWAN full A/C System re-design OF EVERY A/C COMPONENT

Dave you are absolutely correct about the need for a GOOD front condenser blower! And for THE TAN SWAN this was a real challange to say the least

AND with the invention of reversing the gas's it becomes even more important if you want to make it really perform optimal