Never said I disliked your work. There is the secret thing, which is odd, but it's your pompousness that gets under people's skin, not your eccentricity.

You get what you give.

Here is a hint. Embrace a little humility.

Make it easy or it wont sell.

You dont want a product where you have to educate your customers before they say 'yes, i'll take one of those'...

Is the system magic? Do I have to wear a pointy hat? If I dont buy one of these systems, will you call me a 'Muggle'?

Understanding Engineers
 

Understanding Engineers #1

Two engineering students were biking across a university campus when one said, "Where did you get such a great bike?"

The second engineer replied "Well, I was walking along yesterday, minding my own business, when a beautiful woman rode up on this bike, threw it to the ground, took off all her clothes and said, "Take what you want."

The first engineer nodded approvingly and said, "Good choice: The clothes probably wouldn't have fit you anyway."

Understanding Engineers #2

To the optimist , the glass is half-full. To the pessimist , the glass is half-empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

Understanding Engineers #3

A priest, a doctor, and an engineer were waiting one morning for a particularly slow group of golfers. The engineer fumed, "What's with those guys? We must have been waiting for fifteen minutes!"The doctor chimed in, "I don't know, but I've never seen such inept golf!" The priest said, "Here comes the greens-keeper. Let's have a word with him." He said, "Hello George , What's wrong with that group ahead of us? They're rather slow, aren't they?" The greens-keeper replied, "Oh, yes. That's a group of blind firemen . They lost their sight saving our clubhouse from a fire last year, so we always let them play for free anytime !" The group fell silent for a moment. The priest said, "That's so sad. I think I will say a special prayer for them tonight." The doctor said, "Good idea. I'm going to contact my ophthalmologist colleague and see if here's anything she can do for them."The engineer said, "Why can't they play at night?"

Understanding Engineers #4

What is the difference between mechanical engineers and civil engineers? Mechanical engineers build weapons. Civil engineers build targets.

Understanding Engineers #5

The graduate with a science degree asks, "Why does it work?"
The graduate with an engineering degree asks, "How does it work?"
The graduate with an accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?"
The graduate with an arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"

Understanding Engineers #6

Three engineering students were gathered together discussing who must have designed the human body. One said, "It was a mechanical engineer. Just look at all the joints." Another said, "No, it was an electrical engineer. The nervous system has many thousands of electrical connections." The last one said, "No, actually it had to have been a civil engineer. Who else would run a toxic waste pipeline through a recreational area?"

And Finally

Two engineers were standing at the base of a flagpole , looking at its top. A woman walked by and asked what they were doing.

"We're supposed to find the height of this flagpole ," said Sven , "but we don't have a ladder." The woman took a wrench from her purse, loosened a couple of bolts, and laid the pole down on the ground. Then she took a tape measure from her pocketbook, took a measurement, announced, "Twenty one feet, six inches," and walked away. One engineer shook his head and laughed, "A lot of good that does us. We ask for the height and she gives us the length!"

So now you are claiming that you invented Gorilla Tape and or angle iron (that's what those "black bars" appear to be)?! What's next; that you can raise the dead?!?!

Thanks unclebilly for your comment!

Over the last 5 years or so in developing my PFC's and also starting about 2 years ago I have been developing a completely new early model 911's A/V system fully capable always of vent temps in the 30's as a target; I was more focused on professional Porsche repair shop installations and satisfying the owner of the shop

I WAS NOT interested in DIY Owners

But Now that I have met and exceeded all my original goals and additionally finished re-engineeing and modernizing everything in the early model 911 A/C system engineering and designed wise, am I able to think and focus of the needs for DIY owners

But I am not sure if I want to bother with the DIY market

I have a current DIY owner on the west coast, I HAVE shipped too that will be installing my PFC's and a few other things I make that wants cold A/C. I am going to help him take his time, doing some interesting things. How cold he makes it will be up to him, he has a cabriolet which means cloth top which creates more of a challenge to make ICE COLD!

Forget for a moment the crap many people post in the couple of treads I have started

Take a look at any other A/C thread here over the last few years and look at those that have nothing to add but destruction, and stop all technical discussion from their BS and Harassment etc that has nothing to do with the treads technical subject or the help people seeking knowlege etc

THE A/C THREADS HERE ARE A CESSPOOL of so called 911 DIY owners ; OR Large Groups of DISRUPTORS and FLAMERS etc who have ruined all these threads FOR the truly interested DIY Owners so they don't even post.

Unclebilly I would not intentionally belittle you or anyone else for that matter, in anyway as long as you treated me with decency,

“You dont want a product where you have to educate your customers before they say 'yes, i'll take one of those'...”

I am not a reseller. I am mostly an OEM, I actually design, engineer, and manufacture myself, not like most/all of my competitors

I understand this all too well !!!
But I am only into new state of the art A/C technology for old early model 911’s that needs educating OR YOU WOULD NEVER WANT IT

“Is the system magic? Do I have to wear a pointy hat? If I dont buy one of these systems, will you call me a 'Muggle'”

If you DON’T buy my INVENTIONS OK; THEY ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE for various different reasons, i.e. you can always find a cheaper solution that suits your needs and/or budget ; and in fact I occasionally tell the sources sometimes of my competitors who double or higher list price you can buy online ; A/CKITS.COM in Arizona Is a source for a couple of resellers

I had to look up 'Muggle' LoL, NO, don’t want to call you anything, just be decent like you have been and are!!!

The Magic is front and rear state of the art technology PFC heat exchanger condensers that are the most efficient in the world today and reversing the refrigerant gases! And changing your mindset from obsolescence and old technology to a new way of thinking about A/C for early model 911s into state of the art

beside being a liar

are you on drugs too???

What he said ... x10
I personally find it very disappointing to see the continual childish BS on these a/c threads. It serves no purpose and I am surprised that moderators have allowed it to continue.
It seems contrary to the spirit of this great forum.

Just think of it as an entertainment break from technical issues.

WOW Reid, you just described your activities in your a/c threads to utter perfection!

Your false claims of superiority (the very evidence that you provide proves your claims false), repeated denigration (aka - flaming) of other products and ideas, smoke & mirrors style of sharing information (a style meant to further bolster your ego by making others guess at what you mean - that way you can cry out "dummy"), false accusations, name calling, long-winded rants, threats against other forum members, infomercial-open-loop content and pictures (the same **** repeated over and over in a vain attempt to either sell something or convince others that you are correct), and general hubristic attitude that puts all other braggarts to shame, definitely creates large and nasty, bubbling cesspools that thoroughly disrupt the 911 Forum. I do value your penchant for unintended levity, though, as it often makes for great comedy.

There is one person that is the root cause of the AC thread cesspool issue in this forum. wwest.

One single person that has an ongoing spite issue with Charlie Griffith and lives to undermine him with horse crap and drivel.

That is it. Everyone needs to understand, there is one person, and only one person.

The rest of the shiet slinging, Ronnie, Eric, uwanna, Kelog, Bob Kontak, et all, are but pimples on the ass of this sad man.

That said, given the moderators are out of touch or missing, does anyone have a clue as to what to do??

I have gotten him banned twice, with a little help, when he directly attacks Charlie.

My powder is not so dry anymore given my pension for lashing out when I sense "unfair".

Can anybody kill this snake? Seriously, can we, the fools, trouble-makers and geniuses, ban together and rid this forum of the wwest cancer?

Bad day/night, Bob..???

Please point me to any criticism of Charlie, or KelogGes , that was not true and warranted.

God damn it, Willy.

Note the edit...

I LOL'd to this the hardest today. Bob, your words come through loud and clear to what you're thinking.

It's a gift I don't have.

YES AM STILL CUSTOM MAKING 911 STATE OF THE ART A/C PFC's !
 

THIS SPEAKS FOR ITSELF

ITS BEEN A YEAR SINCE THE West Coast 86 Carrera Cabriolet DIY owner HERE I made these for and he is close to finishing his complex project

954 599 5235

Just got an order for 4 matched front and rear sets from a Porsche shop that has bought from me before several times

Are you fishing for a pat on the back?

I must say, they look lovely

thanks kenikh

I have some of his 86 Cab. install pictures already but I will let him post them when he's ready

he is doing an excellent install for an ice-cold 911 cabriolet in a hot climate
HE tells me he is almost ready to add R134A finally

911 Cabs are a real Challenge to make ice-cold because they are soft tops as apposed 911 hard tops

there is going to be I think more heat entering the cockpit and cooling escaping through the cabs soft top that needs to be compensated for

I have no idea yet how much as this is the first I have made PFC's for a cabriolet

TO OVERCOME THE TEMP Control PROBLEMS I expect to have in the cockpit I have sent the owner with the PFC's I sent him I included a digital computer controlled controller to precisely control the evaporator @ 33 degrees or there about without freezing as this puppys A/C can control cold in new ways

This is all I want to say about this controller!!!

911 a/c
 

These PFC designs shown above for 911 a/c highest efficiency are my old ones from last year !

State of the Art A/C PFC HEAT EXCHANGER efficiency is constantly changing & improving,
so I am constantly adapting newer inventions designs of micro channel several times a year.

For 5 years it has cracked me up anyone still uses 3 heavy old technology A/C CONDENSERS to make cold early model 911s, I can do with 2 that weigh less than 5 lbs 5 ounces, 30 deg air vent temps @ 95 F ambient using R134A

oh well to each their own,,,,

Beautiful looking work. If only the rear PFC was used, to replace the ancient original, would there be an improvement? No looking to make ice.
Thanks,
Tony

Maybe. It depends on how well you're doing right now. Someone you can talk to about the upsides and downsides to this particular mod is Charlie Griffiths@ GTI. He has mentioned here before about what you get and what you give up with these condensers. Before you spend any money, be really careful in your research. Think about after-sale support, too. With these cars, that's critical for DIY AC work.

^^^

Not to mention that Kellogs has said reapeatedly, when he's being called to the carpet about his grandiose claims, that his gear is not for sale to DIY types; aka: he posts these threads about his "inventions" in order to pound his chest, and to demean other, proven a/c component options, and nothing more.

Tony I know how hot San Jose gets
you need at least both a front and rear PFC or you would be spinning your wheels and never be anywhere near happy !!!

you can buy a rear china generic PFC that might get you by that has old PFC technology then i use from Parallel Flow Condensers - Non Painted | ACKITS.com in Arizona and adapt it fit, this is the same sold by my competitors for a much higher price

Heck, a YEAR IN and his magic DIY prototype guinea pig still doesn't have a running system...he is however "close to finishing"...

I'm very impressed with the results of a system that a year in doesn't even work yet.

I will say that other than the slight curve, his rear condenser looks 100% exactly the same as the generic ones you can find from any number of sources, right down to the mounting points with the holes drilled every inch all the way around.

Why would you put that stuff on a system designed specifically for a 911, which doesn't use such mounting locations? Why do I think that your curved condenser is just a normal one that was bent a bit? Why does your system not even have mounting lugs that one would need anyways?

ohhh looks like the LIAR TROLL RONNEY I called out last year who never proved his A/C BS 20 DEGREE AIR VENT CLAIMS

HAS A NEW NAME and account HERE AFTER Thousands of BS posts and several years here

I had refused to sell to a couple of years before here after checking him out because I am picky who I sell to!!!

This is the most ****ed up thread on pelican so far.

Is this week like AC Thread Troll Revival? Did I miss the memo?

BELIEVE what you want

They Are Not Cheap and I have not made them for-sale here!

YOU CAN'T JUDGE A BOOK BY LOOKING AT THE COVER

YOU ARE BLIND TO SAY OR THINK
"looks 100% exactly the same as the generic ones you can find from any number of sources"

get some glasses their custom made for early model 911s!

THESE MATCHED SET PFC's are specifically designed for an 86 Carrera Cabriolet DIY including my new invention reversing the A/C GASES I discovered and proved to several Porsche shop Professionals and their clients

I never said they were cheap, I said they were GENERIC.

Nope, they look 100% like the generic pieces that I can buy right now, except that yours is slightly bent for the decklid. WHY would you make a 100% custom condenser, built for one purpose and one purpose only (that is to be mounted in a very specific decklid position, and no where else) and then have them have (a) no mounting arms to put it in that place, and (b) do install silly generic mounting flanges like everyone else?


Basically, all that you did was find a manufacturer who builds these things day in and day out for everyone, and got them to bend one a bit. That's it. In fact, I found the EXACT same thing that someone mounted HERE, about 8 years ago. So, someone else must have beat you to that patent, huh? Is that why it's still "patent pending" after all these years, and not for sale? Did you find that someone actually beat you, and that you CANNOT sell this piece?

THIS is why the update !
 

The 86 cabriolet Owner and DIY member here who received my PFCs was involved in a motorcycle accident with serious injuries and why his A/C conversion and many repair items has taken this long.

He tells me he is very close now to charging his highly modified A/C system so we start not only the fine tuning the gases & testing as well as new A/C computer control

THIS is why the update !

Mighty generous of you.

From time to time I question myself - I look inward and see that I lack humility at times. Sometimes, in retrospect, I think "damn, dave, you've got sanity issues."

Today - not so much.

Just wasted 10 minutes on ten pages.

Ten minutes of your life, wasted. Unless you were amused by any of it. Comedy is always worth the time. For aircooled AC stuff, call Griffiths Tech, Inc. Charlie will find a solution for your needs. And after the sale, he will help get your system running. And he offers free-of-charge expert advice in this forum. Even for people who haven't purchased anything from him. If you use that as a basis for comparison against any of the other folks who are trying to get you aircooled AC money, I think the choice almost makes itself.

Corvus Corvax HOW MUCH does Charley pay you in commissions to TROLL for him ?

The 86 cabriolet Owner DIY A/C install PEEK
 

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1462122689.jpg

REAR DECK LID PFC
(the PFC sealing to the deck lid has already been completely sealed properly)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1462122801.jpg

Smart VOV valve RECEIVER TANK


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1462122874.jpg

Engine compartment COMPRESSOR HOSES
(Reversing THE GASES HINT)

I am offended that anyone would suggest such a thing. That's a very rude allegation that you only have the courage to make behind the safety of your keyboard. Maybe if you spent less time being pointlessly rude on the internet, you might be able to develop a product that you could sell. Considering your demeanor here, I can't imagine why anyone would buy anything from you.

I don't think it was rude at all !!!

Dear Mr Kelog:

I drive an early 911 Targa and live in Southern California; I have no need for AC. I removed the dealer added remnants of a system when I bought the car . I have no dog in this fight - I only drive the car in pleasant weather - which is a majority of the time around here.

All by yourself you set an angry tone at the beginning of this thread. While there have been some trolls, there have also been some kind hearted members who have made, in my opinion, very good suggestions to you regarding tone and humility - perhaps they're hopeful you've produced an improvement for their cars and WANT you to succeed, but are concerned you're too much of an engineer to express yourself well. It's also possible you've too much hubris - regardless, you might want to consider turning it down a notch.

Sincerely,

Just Another Bozo On The Bus