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AlKidd 08-23-2021 09:45 AM

The other Cannucks may be flying. Im only an 8 hour drive and by the time I clear security, covid checks and actually get in the air, flying and driving are almost the same time and I avoid the metal petri dish. Was looking forward to the drive as Id planned a loop down into MD to visit some relatives.


Quote:

Originally Posted by boyt911sc (Post 11433032)
Al,

Use the southern border instead. All you have to do is cross the Rio Grande River and get all the benefits including free hotel accommodation. Just kidding. There are 6 Canadians registered and I’m keeping my fingers crossed that they all make it. If not try next time. I am hoping you guys could make the trip. Thanks.

Tony


boyt911sc 08-24-2021 04:50 PM

Update as of August 24........
 
We have about 2 weeks to go before we start the first group. I am preparing the room and delivering the motors, tools, chairs and tables, etc. Looking forward to meet everyone in person. Have a pleasant and safe travel.

These are the people registered for the coming fall sessions:
Sept. 6-7 (Mon. & Tue.)
1. NALB
2. KEVBO
3. oldMcDonald
4. Kenzinger
5. USERA
6. BRSHAP
7.
8.

Sept. 9-10 (Thu. & Fri.)
1. Gretz
2. Ardent88G50
3. Brian Lay
4. Kraftwerk
5. David Borden
6. Kazoo-Mal
7. Targa4Now
8. REYBEL

Sept. 13-14 (Mon. & Tue.)
1. Khamul02
2. Toomanystars
3. Leo Porsche
4. Blucille
5. Setho
6. LeeD
7. YDobbs
8. AlKidd (?)

Sept. 16-17 (Thur. & Fri.)
1. Dynamik
2. JSZ
3. MeinTarga
4. Tommy Z.
5. Prestallion
6. Chase Eller
7. Rider10352
8. EicWeiss

Sept. 20-21 (Mon. & Tue.)
1. Contigo2
2. DavidMN
3. MrBonus
4. Blg5035
5. Uwon (?)
6. Mixed76
7. SpecialCK
8. MBruen

Sept. 23-24 (Thur. & Fri.)
1. Carl S.
2. Ngrich99
3. Geronimo
4. Livetopedal
5. Cbb
6. St. Can
7. Mimo 500
8. Derek L.
9. Harv666


Sept. 27-28 (Mon. & Tue.)......... (CANCELLED) as of 7-31-21.

Meeting place:

2940 De Kalb Pike
Suite D
East Norriton, PA 19401

The building is across the McDonald and close to several shopping centers. Will send emails to everyone on the list. Have a safe travel. Thanks.

Contact information:
610-272-7634 (home)
215-421-8148 (cell)
ATD911@hotmail.com

Tony

Kazoo-Mal 08-26-2021 04:37 PM

Hi Tony,
Not to throw a stick in the spokes, but is it possible to find out if all the participants in the 9/9-9-10 class have had their covid shots. I've got two daughters both pregnant, that I would like to come home to without the worry about catching the virus from one of the less educated participants.
I have had both my shots for the record. Let me know if there is a way to canvas the group.

boyt911sc 08-26-2021 07:11 PM

Waiver.......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazoo-Mal (Post 11438540)
Hi Tony,
Not to throw a stick in the spokes, but is it possible to find out if all the participants in the 9/9-9-10 class have had their covid shots. I've got two daughters both pregnant, that I would like to come home to without the worry about catching the virus from one of the less educated participants.
I have had both my shots for the record. Let me know if there is a way to canvas the group.





Mal,

I have to ask all the participants to sign a waiver regarding Covid-19 before we start the sessions. I will not be responsible if any of the participants got Covid-19 during the time in 19401. If there is anyone more at risk would be me because I will be meeting and spending 2 full days with everyone.

If you feel strongly about exposure to Covid-19, I strongly suggest that you stay home and avoid contact with other people. Both me and my wife have taken the vaccinations for Covid-19 and have attended several social gatherings in the past months.

Tony

Dynamik 09-01-2021 07:12 PM

Tony - Looking forward to meeting you on 16 Sept. I've made all of my arrangements and timing is perfect to stick around PA for the air cooled swap meet at Ski Roundtop on 18 Sept!

Gretz 09-02-2021 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazoo-Mal (Post 11438540)
Hi Tony,
Not to throw a stick in the spokes, but is it possible to find out if all the participants in the 9/9-9-10 class have had their covid shots. I've got two daughters both pregnant, that I would like to come home to without the worry about catching the virus from one of the less educated participants.
I have had both my shots for the record. Let me know if there is a way to canvas the group.

Mal, FWIW I'm in the class and I'm fully vaccinated.

MeinTarga 09-02-2021 07:57 AM

An Air-cooled swap meet? Do you have a link?
I'm in the same class on the 16th and 17th

Dynamik 09-02-2021 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeinTarga (Post 11445731)
An Air-cooled swap meet? Do you have a link?
I'm in the same class on the 16th and 17th

The website has not been updated. I e-mailed the event organizer and he confirmed it is a "GO" for Sat, 18 Sept at Ski Roundtop. There is a thread I found on the forums also confirming the event. It has been a few years since I attended, but have bought and sold some good stuff in the past.

Look forward to meeting you.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/1099814-ski-roundtop-vintage-aircooled-porsche-swap-meet.html

Kraftwerk 09-02-2021 01:05 PM

I was just wondering what the parking situation is ? I am guessing there is a parking lot right there we can use? See you all on the 9 & 10th ..Looking forward!

ps. waiver ready to fill out
...got the Pfizer shots last winter & probably gonna mask-up while inside.

boyt911sc 09-02-2021 01:19 PM

Ample parking spots.......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk (Post 11446184)
I was just wondering what the parking situation is ? I am guessing there is a parking lot right there we can use? See you all on the 9 & 10th ..Looking forward!

ps. waiver ready to fill out
...got the Pfizer shots last winter & probably gonna mask-up while inside.


John,

There is ample space for parking even if all the participants come with their RV’s. But only 2 handicapped parking spots. And my wife will take one spot. See you guys in a few days. Don’t for get to read Wayne’s Engine Rebuilding Book or take it with you.

Tony

Geronimo 09-03-2021 12:03 PM

With all the flooding, are things okay where you are? Are the classes still on?

boyt911sc 09-03-2021 06:49 PM

Venue is high and dry..........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Geronimo (Post 11447196)
With all the flooding, are things okay where you are? Are the classes still on?


There were places in neighboring towns that were flooded caused by the torrential rain brought by Ida. So far the venue is high and dry. I would be the first person to worry if it would not be safe for everyone to come.

BTW, I would like to give thanks to Kevin McDonald for helping me bring the two (2) motors to the venue. Without his assistance, I would not be able to deliver them to the site. The work involve is too strenuous for me doing it myself. We were both soaked in the rain.

But the joy and satisfaction I get from having this undertaking is priceless. See you guys soon. And travel safe.

Tony

usera 09-04-2021 03:42 AM

Tony, Can't wait for the class, I feel dumb asking this, but is there a schedule? I didn;t know if I missed an email as to when to show up on Monday.

boyt911sc 09-04-2021 05:56 AM

Class schedule..........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by usera (Post 11447574)
Tony, Can't wait for the class, I feel dumb asking this, but is there a schedule? I didn;t know if I missed an email as to when to show up on Monday.



Kevin,

I will be there before 8:00 AM to open Suite D and wait for the first group to arrive. The regular schedule is 8:00 AM to 12:00 Noon. Lunch break for 1-hour. We resume by 1:00 PM until 5:00 PM. You can stay longer as most people did last time. The next day starts the same schedule. Two (2) days are not long enough to cover the subjects in details.

There are several good places to go for lunch nearby. Or buy your take out lunch and have it in the class room. I encourage people to come dressed in their work clothes and participate in the class activities. Blue jeans and t-shirts and sneakers are ideal.

Travel safely and see you soon.

Tony

Kazoo-Mal 09-06-2021 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gretz (Post 11445721)
Mal, FWIW I'm in the class and I'm fully vaccinated.

Thanks Gretz, looking forward to seeing you.

Targa4now 09-06-2021 04:30 PM

Fully vaccinated as well

Uwon 09-07-2021 07:32 AM

Anyone want my spot for Sepember20-21, it’s there for the asking. US border not yet open to fully vaccinated Canadians at land crossings. Go figure!
Cheers,
Johan

Contigo2 09-08-2021 05:22 AM

A second seat is now open for Sept 20-21 as I’m unable to attend. If anyone is interested let me know.

OldMcDonald 09-08-2021 08:26 AM

Best Two days I spent in recent memory!!! Tony is very knowledgeable and provided true hands on training. Thank you Tony!
Kevin

Geronimo 09-08-2021 08:37 AM

Great to hear, can't wait to go. Ill be there on the 22-25th looking forward to it!!

tx63conv 09-08-2021 09:13 AM

I havent read all 29 pages of this thread but will soon. I am tempted to jump on one of the openings for the 20th but will be in Minneapolis for work that week.

Tony-Is this something you plan to do again in the future? I would be interested in a two day session in the spring.

What a great idea by they way--while I dont expect to be building a flat 6 anytime soon, I think this is a great tool to learn about the car.

kenzinger 09-08-2021 02:59 PM

Want to give another HUGE shout out to Tony - the two day experience was incredibly invaluable. I've read forum posts, read Wayne's book, watched countless YouTube videos and nothing can compare to the hands on experience, troubleshooting problems together, and learning Tony's incredible tricks.

I wouldn't hesitate to embark on my own project now and am wishing I had a spare engine core laying around to work on...

David Borden 09-12-2021 02:30 PM

Just completed the class this last Thursday and Friday with a great group of guys. It is immediately apparent Tony spent a great deal of time setting up the room, his tools etc so it would be effective for learning.

The entire two days is hands on breaking down the engine, and then building it back up. He strongly encourages everybody to participate and get wrench time. Tony is exceptionally creative in making his own low cost tools used for the build and he happily shares this with his students.

Being a visual learner, the class really cleared up virtually all the questions I had on the build process. One of the most valuable things I learned was on cam timing. He was using the digital cam timing gauge that one of the Pelican members designed and sold on the forum. I purchased it some time ago but had no clue how to use it going in, but now feel very confident on the procedures for using it.

All of the guys/students were great and we had a lot of fun taking turns, telling stories and learning about the inner workings of these engines.

In closing, I just wanted to say a HUGE Thank You... to Tony for all the effort he puts into this course. You can tell this is his passion and he wants to share it with other enthusiasts.

MrBonus 09-13-2021 05:55 AM

Hey Tony,

What time does the class start (Sept 20/21)?

Thanks!

Kraftwerk 09-13-2021 06:30 AM

Tony is a great instructor. I also attended this past Thursday and Friday, (8AM -5PM) it was amazing to demystify the workings and relationship of all the various parts in our flat 6 engines. Tony's energy and enthusiasm was delightful, and yes, everyone took turns disassembling under his careful eye and assembling sometimes utilizing devices & tools Tony made himself out of simple & easily available materials. Ingenious, really. (David B. said it well.)

Now, one step closer to re-building an engine if and when the time comes.
I drove off into the sunset ( away from actually ) Friday evening, listening to the 3.0 and thinking about how everything worked in unison, harmonically, like clockwork, making it's lovely sound.

Gretz 09-13-2021 11:44 AM

I will echo all the other comments about the class. A great time and an exceptional value. Tony is an amazing asset to the community. I learned so much and would now how no hesitation about rebuilding my own engine. Plenty of hands-on time with a group of good people.

I highly recommend you attend this class if you are at all interested. Even if you aren't planning on rebuilding your engine, you will be much more comfortable with how the engine functions.

Thanks again, Tony!

boyt911sc 09-15-2021 03:48 PM

3 Down 3 To Go............
 
As of today, we have 3 groups already completed their 2-day sessions. My wife who have been patiently helping me from the beginning advised me to make a short lesson plan and re-name it as Engine Rebuilding Workshop instead of “Engine Rebuilding Classes”.

Starting tomorrow with the 4th group, I will make a short note or reminder to follow the sequence and topics to be discussed because I could easily get distracted and forget something. A good example was what happened yesterday. During the course of the cam timing procedures, we encountered a minor problem but immediately corrected it. A participant did the cam timing for cylinder 1-2-3 with 1.50 mm cam reading. The other cam for 4-5-6 was done by another participant. After a few cam timing adjustment he got exactly 1.50 mm. These identical readings were a first ever.

The elation and excitement among the participants was something to remember. And we were 2 hours ahead of schedule. And we stopped working after achieving 1.50 mm/1.50 mm cam timing. If I had a written lesson plan, I would not missed the cam timing sprocket alignment measurement. That was my mistake. And will have a written note to remind me of things to do next time.

Group I (September 6-7):
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1631745242.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1631745242.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1631745242.jpg

Group II (September 9-10):
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1631745705.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1631747298.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1631747298.jpg

Group III (September 13-14):
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1631747821.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1631747885.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1631747885.jpg

Three (3) more groups and will take a long vacation to California to recover.

Tony

Targa4now 09-16-2021 03:28 AM

Bodhisattva
 
Much appreciation Tony for your patience, wisdom, and guidance!

Boyt911sc arriving Day 2 😎

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1631791616.jpg

faapgar 09-16-2021 05:23 AM

the new look
 
Some guys have a man bag but Tony has upped the game with a steering wheel.SmileWavy

OldMcDonald 09-16-2021 05:39 AM

Ups the Game.
 
Tony always ups the game!!!

MeinTarga 09-20-2021 08:22 AM

I thoroughly enjoyed the workshop.
Tony is a great guy and wealth of knowledge.

Thanks for doing this Tony!

MrBonus 09-21-2021 03:30 PM

Thank you for all of your hard work, patience, and guidance, Tony! The workshop and the group were fantastic.

Also, thank you to special guest Fred who took time to share an unbelievable amount of varied and fascinating air-cooled knowledge.

Contigo2 09-22-2021 06:05 AM

Second all the prior comments re Tony’s workshop. Excellent hands on experience with a wealth of tips, custom home made tools coupled with a great deal of patience and instruction.

DavidMn 09-22-2021 06:46 AM

I also want to express my thanks to Tony. I entered very unsure about the rebuild process and now I have a strong understanding of what needs to happen and also a deep respect for the process and doing things correctly.

So thank you Tony for all your patience and letting us learn by doing. Truly a fantastic experience. Also a great bunch of guys in the class.

Finally, thank you Fred for visiting and sharing your vast knowledge.

khamul02 09-23-2021 12:06 PM

I can't stress how beneficial this class was. I have watched so many videos some incredibly produced and some not but without hands on instruction they really don't make a lot of sense.

Thank you Tony for taking the time to help all of us who love these cars!!!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632427492.jpg

Geronimo 09-23-2021 03:45 PM

Day one in the books, and WOW, just WOW. So much knowledge, sadly my tiny brain will only retain 10% of it. Tony is amazing at breaking down the process of engine building into a system that makes sense.

Fred, what can I say he has forgotten more than I will ever know about Porsche's

mike sampsel 09-24-2021 07:53 AM

any thoughts on doing a course on the road? ;)
Would be too tough to do, too far for some of us to take the course though, darn it.

Glad to see a joyous group taking it in though.

boyt911sc 09-25-2021 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike sampsel (Post 11466385)
any thoughts on doing a course on the road? ;)
Would be too tough to do, too far for some of us to take the course though, darn it.

Glad to see a joyous group taking it in though.



Mike,

The participants came from different parts of the country like California, Texas, Michigan, and the most number came from Canada. Unless you personally attended and experienced how we conducted the workshop in 2 days, people would not understand my situation.

After all expenses are deducted I have between $500~$600 left for me and my wife Amor for the 2-day sessions. She helped in sending emails and responsible for cleaning and housekeeping. I spent between 24~30 hours total for each group. I am not complaining but my family is not happy about it. I could make more money working in a McDonald across the street. But I enjoy the Engine Rebuilding Workshop.

It is feasible to do an Engine Rebuilding Workshop on the road if you have the fund to pay for my travel and expenses. And get paid more than a bus boy from McDonald.

Tony

Cbb 09-25-2021 04:11 AM

Thank you Tony! What a great class!
 
Tony,

Thank you so much for teaching our group your engine rebuilding course. The course was even better than I expected (and I had high expectations!). Your patience and ability to breakdown complicated tasks into simple steps allowed all of us to gain experience and confidence which can only be found through hands-on work with trial and error. It is obvious you are a gifted teacher and your passion for the air cooled 911 shines brightly! Hope to see you again soon.

boyt911sc 09-25-2021 08:02 AM

The last 3 groups.........
 
Group IV (September 16-17):
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632582340.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632582566.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632582566.jpg

Group V (September 20-21):
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632582869.jpghttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632583045.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632583045.jpg

Group VI (September 23-24):
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632583209.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632583354.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632583354.jpg

Since there are about 2 dozen paid registrants from the cancelled April 2020 Engine Rebuilding Workshop that were not able to attend, I will have another one in April 2022 to deliver my commitment. Bringing the two (2) motors and boxes of tools back home is another challenge for an old guy like me. And the past 3 weeks were full of excitement and satisfaction. I could not have done this workshop without the assistance from my wife Amor. And special thanks to Kevin McDonald and Rich Shaner.

Tony


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