What is the Final Solution for Rough Shifting?

[abc914]

$5000 for the tranny, another $15,000 or so for the install. (Gulp!) And that's at a discount for much of the labor. But, much of that was trial and error (lots of error) before things worked OK.

I'll have to sit down and figure the exact cost. I had other work done (second set of wheels and tires, carbon fiber hoods and bumpers and Boxster full size skinny spare (996 TT calipers and discs require at least 17" spare). The entire invoice looks like the Manhattan phone book with the last page adding all the phone numbers.

I'm giving rides to 914 owners, $5/minute. (Gotta pay for this somehow!)

[Jason Samson]

Very nice! Nice car, and nice install on that trani. I especially like that short shift look inside the car. I have a few questions for you, since I am currently putting a Boxster-S motor and trani in my 74 914. The B&M shifter you mentioned, how much of the original shifter does that kit utilize? Last week I purchased the factory shifter/cables.... and it looks similar to your B&M setup except the throw looks shorter. I'm also curious how you handled the hydraulic clutch setup. What brand did you use and how did the install go? I was debating on whether to use the factory Box-S hydraulic clutch/brake pedal cluster. My friend Brad has steered me away from that idea, but I neglected to ask him why not. I would like to hear how your solutioin went.

Jason

[Jeroen]

Jason,

I think you should get a pedal cluster from a '87-'89 Carrera (the ones with a G50 tranny)
Those have a hydrolic clutch, but if I recall correctly, the rest of it is the same as the 914 or earlier 911 pedal cluster, so it's pretty much a swap

cheers,

Jeroen

[Jason Samson]

Jeroen!?! I can find you here too?!?! Haahaa! Nice!
Britain turned me onto this thread earlier today, said I had to check it out. Glad he mentioned it.
Hey thanks for the input. Perhaps you can fill me in on a bit more info: Does this pedal assembly you referred to integrate the hydraulic brake and clutch cylinders onto one casting/pedal-assembly? Is the accelerator pedal seperate? I already have the E-Throttle from the Box-S so I don't want anything to compete for space with that.

[abc914]

I didn't do the work. Too much expertise for me, not to mention time, talent and tools.

Jeroen is correct, the pedal cluster is from '87-'89 Carrera.

I can't answer about how much of original shifter is used. What you're saying is probably correct. I guess look at the B&M website and see what you get with their kit.

I guys I work with are true pros and they suggested the B&M kit. The throws are short and very crisp and very easy, even with the reduced leverage. It is a dream come true. I was driving a lot today and now I welcome stop signs and traffic lights! What a difference. I won't even mention stoplight grand prix and how I love dusting everything in sight! (It seems everyone has a need to test the car; especially SUVs - even more fun! Second gear redline comes up so fast.)

[Jason Samson]

I'm happy for you, that is *****in! I can't wait to do the same. Thanks for the info and I will look more into this B&M kit.

[Jason Samson]

Dam sensorship! What I meant to say is that is Bi*tchin! A very sweet setup! Enjoy!

[Jeroen]

Hey Jason,

The pedal cluster is actually just the clutch and brake pedal. The throttle pedal on the 914/911 is already seperate

The actual brake lever/pedal of the '87-'89 cluster may or may not work, since it is set up for powerbrakes. I'm not sure.
On 911s with power assisted brakes, the master cylinder is located in the trunk, above the pedal cluster, so it uses an actuation rod to operate the master cylinder (which ) while 914s and early 911s have the master cylinder mounted to the pedal cluster (although on the other side of the firewall)

The base of the later pedal cluster is still the same on all years, so in worst case scenario, you'd have to swap the brake pedal it self from the 914 onto the late Carrera version.

I hope this makes sense... If you have both pedal clusters in front of you, it's pretty obvious.

Otherwise, check the PET software and look at both the 914 pedal cluster and that of the '87-'89 Carrera 3.2
That should clear things up and give you some idea

cheers,

Jeroen

[Jeroen]

Edit... I just checked PET. Of course the hydr.clutch pedal cluster has a provision on top of it to mount the master cylinder for the clutch...
Otherwise, I think they still used pretty much the same parts & setup

Talk to Brad, he'll know and can prolly show you what I mean

cheers,

Jeroen

[Jason Samson]

Okay, will do. Thanks again.

[914timo]

Here is the link to the pics and info Jeroen was talking about.

Abc914, you have one very nice conversion. I would love to see it. Could you send more pics, please. Could you give us more info about that Boxter trans conversion too. I would like to know how they have brought together the engine and the trans. It have not been an easy job......

[Jeroen]

Originally posted by 914timo
[B]Here is the link to the pics and info Jeroen was talking about.

That's not quite how I envisioned it.
But if it works...

cheers,

Jeroen

[911pcars]

I would like to suggest another option for improved shifting.

The Gate Shift kit (Pelican carries these) was originally designed for the 915 5-speed gearbox. However, with a minor modification it can be used on the 901 gearbox used on 912s and 914s (tailshifter). You need a 915 shift housing assembly and, of course, the Gate Shift kit. Using a 915 shift housing also allows using any of the short shift kits on the market.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Sherwood
www.seinesystems.com

[Dave at Pelican Parts]

Another possible option would be James Adams' Rennshift, also sold by Pelican Parts.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/9144/POR_9144_pedals_pg1.htm#item4

--DD