ims kit from pelican!

[mikefocke]

May I suggest we all stop responding to 911ballin's posts until he learns to approximate the normal posting style.

What he does with his money and his car is up to him. And he is entitled to his opinion. But I'm entitled to a posting that is polite and readable before I respond.

[911ballin]

mr focke!!! is your choice respond or not respond by that way that is bad !! just beacuse my opinion in ln product prices is not yours so , you try to be mr do waht i said here!! you are not!@
the reason of forum is that people can get respond to their matters and solutions that sometimes are coomn to the member of owner of specific product in this case boxster!
as owne of this specific porduct find some people product out of pricing , and is all my right writte waht i think like or not to other people!!! if you do search in pelicnas parts and even rennlist some people find this kit little over price side, thats wahy wayne and other are comming with a kit that maybe is not SUPER DUTY no best lif time waranty soloution but in mean time less expensive and more afforable to people taht don't have you economical siotuation or your special discounts with some sellers!!! you know for sure that this kit can be produce cheapera nd sale to the comunity for less money even taht the manufacter in this case ln still profit on it but becuase is been only produt , the tag price and you guys buy!!
so mr focke!!! is your choice to respond or not to my post ,, but is is way we are in forum here if not you better turn off your computer and go a right your own book how do your boxster to mr focke way not question ask!!!

[Laura-Hergesheimer MotorS]

911ballin,
Myself and others may like to have this discussion with you but speaking for myself, I cannot understand your postings . I respectfully ask you to review these postings and future postings to use grammar and spelling that I could understand and we might be able to have an informative discussion.

Laura

[911ballin]

my posting originated as question of when pelican kit will be ready to buy!~ then there was some people thinking that the ln kit is the best and price is good and affordable like your self!!! and saying why asking about pelican kit if in fact ln has alredy a kit for this matter ,,,thas good for people that think that way i respect them ,, but them there was another person saying why want to buy kit that is not been test right!!! that has not been test long enough on car just for few months bla bla bla .... trying bring down the pelican kit
here is where I totally don't share that opinion cause after read the article that pelican for fix the ims bearing issue i think that the kit wayne is bring to market is exaclly what i looking for ---is afforable , 150$ whats is much bettter than 3 times that money in the other source!!!!! OK the other kit is stronger is been test alot the bearing was develop by NASA,, great i don't care !!!about that I want something better than factory and afforable that is my personal opinon
In the other hand , I still think the LN kit is over price item !!! that a opinon !!!!
I know that my opinon will not change the way of thinking of the alredy costumers of LN or that my opinon will make the producer reduce the pricing ,,I know that for fact and I totally fine.. with this
In the mean while I hope that with more owners of boxsters and these cars getting older and more problems will be more vendors with different solutions and afforable price parts , that will benefit the community ,contrary as today market where there is not other way of fixing this ims issue !! that going to LN ,,,,,,hope soon will be another option for people like me!!!!! I'm sure is not problem posting my honest opinion about a issue that I'm living with my car and want to get fix!!!!soon!

[BerneseMtnDog]

Unless I'm mistaken I don't believe the kit that Pelican will eventually offer will be "better than factory". I think Wayne plans to offer the same factory bearing with the idea that if owners wish they can replace this bearing with more frequency in hopes of avoiding a failure. I apologize if this is not correct. The original type bearing has been known to fail at mileages all over the map from very few (under 20k) to very high (over 100K). The LN bearing is developed as a way to replace the original bearing with something superior. As an owner you need to decide which avenue you prefer based on your economic situation and feelings about the sturdiness of the stock bearing. Ranting and raving about the price of a product doesn't do any good. You are not simply buying the cost of manufacturing parts but are also paying for the R&D and development costs that were needed to get the product to market. That's how manufacturing works and you and I have no idea what it took monetarily for LN to develop this kit. Do you really think there are $700 worth of electronic parts in your computer? Not a chance. You are paying for more than the cost to produce the product. There just isn't a cheap and easy solution the the IMS issue.

Steve

[Wayne 962]

Just to clarify, our kit will contain a bearing that is nearly identical to the original Porsche one, along with an improved center stud that will resist snapping. Add in some o-rings and a sealing flange so that you can use the factory flange. It was pretty easy to install this on our test car, I anticipate this being a must-have kit for every clutch job.

-Wayne

[mikefocke]

Let me state for the record I don't believe I have ever received any special pricing or discount on any item or service for my Boxsters that was not available to the general public at the same time. Nor have I ever asked for any.

[eric523]

Originally Posted by JMatta

I think 911balin and MotorSheister make a perfect match...

AMEN! People like 911ballin are the reason motormeister is still around.

[mts]

Originally Posted by 911ballin

sorry sir I call LN ENGINNERING AND THEY NOT WARRANTY THEIR KITS FOR LIFE HAVE TO BE REPALCE EVRY 40 50K MILES HE SAID !!!that is exactly same as pelican my frind !! to get this clear !!!
so you think that LN ENGINNERING SPEND 450$ IN MANUFATURE A FLACE AND BUY NITRADED BEARING and they are only profit $100.00 for kit they sale come on!!!
manufacture flage and get the super specila bearing that NASA USE will cost them the most $150.00 they want profit $400.00 for kit ,,,, that is fine if the buyers don't care and have the money !!!that is RIP OFF YOU CAN GET A FLYWHEELS MADE IN GERMANY FOR 500$ AND YOU ARE GONA TELL ME THS KIT OF LN IS MORE MONEY !!!!!!!
i WILL TAKE PELICAN PARTS BETTER , AND PORSCHE FACTORY STILL USE SEALS IN TEIR BEARING EVEN IN ALL THE UPGRADE VERSION OF THE 6 FLAT ENGINES FOR REASON!!!!!!AS PELICAN DO!

Is there a 911ballin to English translation program on the internet somewhere? If so, please point me in that direction. Thanks

[smshirk]

I have one of Charles' IMS upgrades as part of the flat6 3.6 performance upgrade in MY 2001 986S. At 2000 miles and counting I could not be more pleased or impressed with the performance. I did the upgrade for added HP and torque, although the additional reliability I expect over time was certainly a part of my decision to the spend the money for the motor. For those who have a catastrophic failure, and considering the price of a rebuilt, the upgrade is almost a no brainer. I did it on a perfectly serviceable engine, but I really wanted more power, and didn't want to spend a lot of money on a SC kit, or a bigger M96 engine with the same inferior IMS design.

I have no problem paying for quality engineering and manufacturing and for one appreciate that Charles, as well as Jake Raby, have chosen to jump into the M96 business. There are a ton of great cars out there with declining values and a black cloud of suspicion hanging over them. A few years ago there were zero internal engine parts available and we were at the mercy of the factory replacement process. Things are looking up!!!

[ronster]

I had the LN Engineering ceramic IMS installed on my '99 Boxster and the upgraded OEM RMS at the same time. Given that tests show the ceramic bearings outlast the steel one's 5:1 and that I plan to drive my car for a very long time I was happy to spend $1800 for the entire upgrade, parts and labor, to keep from spending $15K for a new motor installed. Most of the process was labor to pull the Tiptronic trans which would be the same if I had gone with an OEM or Pelican IMS. If you can do your own work then you can save the labor charge but I can't. What you put on your car is a matter of personal preference and does not give one the license to run others products or choices down. That is just a matter of bad manners that seem to be more prevalent when people can hide behind the internet door.

[BerneseMtnDog]

I'm actually amazed that people will spend much more $$ on a set of tires that will last 20k miles tops but they balk at $500 for an upgraded bearing. It was a no brainer for me when I pulled my tranny for a new clutch.

Steve

[dad911]

911ballin - Just drive it until it breaks, and then join the class action lawsuit....

Porsche Intermediate Shaft Investigation - Consumer Class Action Attorneys - Girard Gibbs LLP

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by dad911

911ballin - Just drive it until it breaks, and then join the class action lawsuit....

Porsche Intermediate Shaft Investigation - Consumer Class Action Attorneys - Girard Gibbs LLP

Class action suits usually result in nice fees for the lawyers and a few dollars (or pennies) for the consumer.

Don't "drive it until it breaks." You won't be satisfied with the results of any lawsuit.

At least that has been my observation in some 65 years of living in the US. I think that might predate "class action" suits.

[JMatta]

I do find it interesting when someone complains about the cost of a well engineered, updated mechanical component; but will drop hundreds, if not thousands, on stereos and fancy cosmetic modifications. Wouldn't think twice about those big chrome 19 inchers or some painted/fake carbon interior bits, but $600 for an IMS update to save your engine? Outrageous!

Good luck on making an attorney a bunch of money on a class action...you think he's doing it because he wishes to protect the Porsche community?

[SteelCity]

Sorry folks - kinda double posting here but i see informed folks (and one not : ) ) on both threads. I would like to make the transition from s2000 to boxster next year. I am so glad to find a solution to the IMS that i have been researching for the first time here at these forums. If i was going to start with a 2005 S + (looking at a budget of 26-32k) and do the bearing or shaft upgrade preemptively is there a better year to start with? Many Thanks!!!!! -damon

[dad911]

Damon,
Conventional wisdom would be to monitor oil & filter for metal, and wait until the next clutch job to inspect/update bearing to save on labor.

However, in my '99 there was no metal in the oil and filter, and the bearing was loose, starting to fail. While it was a low mile car (which may be worse) I'm glad I inspected it when I did.