Two things I don't understand.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

Why ask a woman? If a man is giving the ring then men must have their reasons.

Ask the little head


My theory is, well... several thoughts on this one being marketing has convinced the the more you spend on the ring the more you love your women (not saying that is true). I I also like the "mark your territory"... theory... don't want to sound sexist but likely that is why the woman puts a ring on a man.
Then there is the good old conspicuous consumption theory.
Her: "look how much my man spent on me!"
Him: "look at how much I can spend on a ring!"

As far as the mosh pit, I think it started as a punk rock thing that has migrated to more mainstream rock?

And yes, nothing bothers me more that a jerk in front of me holding up his/her phone distracting me from enjoying the concert. Any band out there most likely has DVD's of their concerts you can buy the are one hundred times better audio/video quality. I think it is more of a social media thing "look at me, I'm at this way cool concert!"

Now get off my lawn!

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

So we're looking out at the sun,

Minus the parts of the spectrum that the grass subtracted from the sunlight.

[MRM]

Engagement rings are a relic of when marriage was a contract and the ring was the consideration supporting the contract.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Minus the parts of the spectrum that the grass subtracted from the sunlight.

The light we see doesn't tell us what didn't make it.

For example, a film captures moments of light in space when it was exposed.

That film is reproduced and we look at a "picture".

Providing the resolution of copies matches the original picture we would not be able to tell a picture of a picture of a plant from a picture of a plant.

[GH85Carrera]

Men buy engagement rings because it is important to the person they love. Most little girls grow up dreaming of the day the handsome prince asks he to marry him. All the chick flicks and books depict the moment as a event the woman wants to experience.

Bottom line MOST women want to go back to work the next day with an engagement ring to flash to the girls in the office. They have had their girlfriends wave new rings in their face. They want a turn.

Bottom line, happy wife, happy life.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Men buy engagement rings because it is important to the person they love. Most little girls grow up dreaming of the day the handsome prince asks he to marry him. All the chick flicks and books depict the moment as a event the woman wants to experience.

Bottom line MOST women want to go back to work the next day with an engagement ring to flash to the girls in the office. They have had their girlfriends wave new rings in their face. They want a turn.

Bottom line, happy wife, happy life.

This times ten thousand!

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Men buy engagement rings because it is important to the person they love. Most little girls grow up dreaming of the day the handsome prince asks he to marry him. All the chick flicks and books depict the moment as a event the woman wants to experience.

Bottom line MOST women want to go back to work the next day with an engagement ring to flash to the girls in the office. They have had their girlfriends wave new rings in their face. They want a turn.

Bottom line, happy wife, happy life.

I have seen multiple engagements where this behavior with the ring was not present.

I have also seen some where it was present.

I am not sure what to make of the difference.

[flatbutt]

The ring is a bribe, the concert...well I don't know.

[carambola]

A) you are referring to the Wall of Death, man up or get out of the way.

B) a promise of marriage, if the marriage doesn't happen, the ring reverts to a possession of the giver, not receiver.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by carambola

A) you are referring to the Wall of Death, man up or get out of the way.

B) a promise of marriage, if the marriage doesn't happen, the ring reverts to a possession of the giver, not receiver.

A) With that search term,

Wall of Death seems to encompass where all four sides run in as the predominant mode, I saw less with two opposing sides only.

Definitely seems to cover it.

Not sure on the man up part, the women seem to go for it.

B) Still, why a ring?

There are lots of different things that could be done.

We could propose with seagull feathers, or a shoe, or a hat.

It does seem a diamond ring is some what universal in that it still works with many different types of fashion. Still at risk for some activities of dropping off and being lost.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

B) Still, why a ring?

There are lots of different things that could be done.

We could propose with seagull feathers, or a shoe, or a hat.

It does seem a diamond ring is some what universal in that it still works with many different types of fashion. Still at risk for some activities of dropping off and being lost.

Absolutely correct, we could signify our unending love with a seashell, a piece of fruit, or a dead rat... but somehow our culture has adopted the diamond ring.

Many people live happily ever after without getting married at all so a diamond is not absolutely necessary.

IMHO one of the basic needs of many women is a sense of security... and when a man agrees to put up with the whole dog and pony show of ring+dress+ceremony+honeymoon it shows that he is invested in the relationship and going to stay committed.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Either (a) you go to some weird-ass concerts, or (b) you're describing a modern mosh pit and don't seem to understand the geometry...

I have never seen a crowd split apart then run at each other.

Maybe they were the Jets and the Sharks?

Originally Posted by Tervuren

I pointed out the assumption as interesting because it is alien to me to have made this assumption. Call it some form of re-calibration if you will.

I love to debate time... what is time? That is a great party conversation.

[Tervuren]

For some reason, I left off in my post that diamonds are more difficult to damage compared to other gemstones.

Weird thing is, many of the young ladies that seemed to be into that whole thing and talked about it - ended up taking the live in path instead.

I suppose for them the driving force was shallow.

Glen's post has had me laughing as it recalls the woman that really went all out to show off that engagement ring.

She ended up a few years later taking up a very militant cause, eventually rising to VP in a well known organization that does lots of protest stuff.

It was just not evident at the time, not sure what kicked that career into being.

It was bizarre. I did gain some knowledge of what goes on in the organization.

Still makes me laugh as there are very inconsistent and opposing ideologies swept within the same banner and they fail to realize it.

Maybe it was the TV time that was attractive.

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

I think it is more of a social media thing "look at me, I'm at this way cool concert!"

Agree. These days, if you don't post it on social media, it didn't happen.

It's now pretty common to see lots of people at concerts fiddling around with their phones instead of taking in the experience. The last time I saw Eric Clapton, the guy in front of me spent most of the concert playing with his phone. Not recording the show...just noodling around. Browsing web sites, texting, etc. It was stadium seating so I could easily see what he was doing. Tickets weren't cheap either...why bother when you can just sit home and mess with your phone while listening to a Clapton CD

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

We could propose with seagull feathers, or a shoe, or a hat.

"He finally proposed. Isn't it beautiful?!!!"


"Somehow, I don't feel as special as I thought I would."


"Yes! Yes! A thousand times YES!"

[RKDinOKC]

The engagememt ring.
Will try to be clearer.
Wedding rings were a symbol of being taken.
And date back to Greek/Roman cultures
Engagement rings were a promise to get married. Mostly so the couple could "engage" in pre-marital sex.
In medieval times the engagement ring's value was part of the dowry. The fancier the ring, the more prestigious and valuable the dowry.
Though the dowry is not really done much anymore the engagement ring has stayed.
As a leftover cultural thing women get excited to get a expensive one and show off how much dowry they are worth.

The Concert thing.
The harkens back to punk rock and mosh pits.
The crowds still get riled up emotionally and are somewhat anesthetized by whatever means soo...They have come up with their own sort of mosh pit action. square off and run into each other.
Most likely started with just two guys backing away from each other then running at each other, crashing then laughing wildly and doing it again. It looked like they were having fun so next thing you know the whole crowd is doing it.

And yes, I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by RKDinOKC

The engagememt ring.
Will try to be clearer.
Wedding rings were a symbol of being taken.
And date back to Greek/Roman cultures
Engagement rings were a promise to get married. Mostly so the couple could "engage" in pre-marital sex.
In medieval times the engagement ring's value was part of the dowry. The fancier the ring, the more prestigious and valuable the dowry.
Though the dowry is not really done much anymore the engagement ring has stayed.
As a leftover cultural thing women get excited to get a expensive one and show off how much dowry they are worth.

Watched a documentary years ago about how an African tribe (Maasai?) male member tries to catch the interest of the female.
He gathers all of his cattle and parades them in front of her hut.
He even hangs his personal belongings on his body.
What a hoot to see this beautifully muscled and distinguished giant black dude slowly strolling back/forth with pots and pans hanging off him.

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by MRM

Engagement rings are a relic of when marriage was a contract and the ring was the consideration supporting the contract.

Marriage is still a binding contract.

[Bill Douglas]

"do you take this woman to be your lawfully wedded wife for the next three to four years..."

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

"He finally proposed. Isn't it beautiful?!!!"


"Somehow, I don't feel as special as I thought I would."


"Yes! Yes! A thousand times YES!"

Now that was funny and a charming response!