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Another issue is the CG. With the engine in the back, you have to hold pressure on the canard to prevent it from sitting on its arse and damaging the prop when the nose gear is extended. Some folks have extended the nose to give it a racier look and then added an electric nose gear worm drive which adds weight to the nose. Some of those birds can extend the nose gear a little bit before getting close to the tipping point. I have our VariEZ’s nose gear fully extended in our hangar. I also have a bunch of scuba diving weight bags in the nose and no wings attached, so I am safe from it tipping back. With that said, I also have precautions in place, just in case and to be extra safe. This is my buddy’s at a local fly-in. People are still fascinated at the unusual design even though it’s been around for decades. Always makes it a good time and good conversation with curious folks. I never seem to get tired of it, and I think it’s fun. ![]() Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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![]() ![]() ![]() Top pic shows the retractable nose gear and third pic shows the pad the nose sits on. Hard to see because it blends. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I believe E38's question was to the purpose of retracting the nose gear in the first place.
My guess would be to degrade aerodynamic lift if the wind should blow. Please correct me if I am wrong. Best Les
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Hi Les That is how I interpreted the question as well. I was just showing a pic of what the design looked like from below since it kinda difficult to see while one is parked. The VariEZ and LongEZ were designed to be parked on the nose. With the engine in the back/pusher configuration, they will tip back and sit on their arse if the nose wheel is extended and left. This is due to the CG limits of the design. In the beginning, the VariEZ was designed to be a hand start to keep it simple. Basic avionics, no starter, simple and lite. This would also keep the VariEZ from going anywhere as long as the throttle was set correctly. Open too much, and the possibility of it driving off was increased. Once the engine is running, the pilot picks up the nose, lowers the nose wheel and climbs aboard. The LongEZ’s design is the same, however advancements in equipment has allowed folks to install an electric nose wheel that allows the nose to be picked up off the ground as well as lowered with pilot and passenger aboard. Mechanically speaking, that adds a bit of stress to the attach points to the nose wheel as well as adds a bit of weight as well. FUN FACT: On a side note, the pics I posted of the suspended VariEZ, a bit modified by a redesigned Naca intake scoop rather than the plans P51 intake and LongEZ style lower winglets, use to belong to a Pelican’s dad who was an instructor at the Sacramento City College’s Aviation Program. He donated it to the college and they suspended it from the ceiling of the hangar classroom. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Hey Bugs! I appreciate your response. I noticed in one set of images there were small wing fences near the trailing edges of one of the EZs. Would those be to address a yaw situation? I didn't note them on other airframes in the series of images.
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No problemo there Les, Trailing edge fences help with slow speed performance as do leading edge vortalons and in our case on our VariEZ, leading edge wing cuffs. The trailing edge fences keep the air flow moving more over the ailerons which improves the effectiveness at slow speeds such as landing. These are modifications and some have done, and some not. TE fences is a must for us. Due to our wing design, I need all the added aileron authority I can muster since responsiveness can get mushy if your not on top of the numbers when landing. Starting at about the point where the engine cowling begins, the angle of the airflow over the wings begins to increase as the speed drops, essentially reducing the effectiveness of control input. The TE fences redirect the airflow to keep it inline and keeping authority. Hope this makes sense. ![]() ![]() ![]() Leading edge wing cuffs If you want to see the starting procedures as designed by Burt Rutan, check out this video. Yes, it’s an hour long and shows methods of construction, however you can watch the first 2.5 minute to get the idea. Cheers Bugs https://youtu.be/qtSndkKXP3c
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That’s awesome!!! Glad you had a chance to visit, that place rocks!! Did you get a chance to see Yamamoto’s Betty Bomber he was shot down in? ![]() Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Link doesn’t work in my end . Is it me or is anyone else having this issue?Ok….. link worked in my reply ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() was able to watch it.Cool Baz, thanks for sharing. Kinda had the same feeling in 2003 when I took possession of the 1967 Cessna 150G. I know it doesn’t sound like a big deal, but it was for me. Tail wheels are an awesome plane to learn in. I did my primary in Citabrias at the Hemet-Ryan Aerobatic flight center. I have always felt that learning in a tail wheel helps make you a better stick and rudder pilot.
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Hahahahahaha, duck tape to the rescue!!!!! A better test fit. ![]() My OCD is kicking into high gear with new hardware since everything has been in play since 1982. Nuts, bolts and washers as I progress through the updates.
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Bugs, Thanks for the explanation on the effect of the wing fences. I overlooked the swept wing factor and you straightened my thinking out. Now I'm going to have to read up on wing cuffs. I appreciate the education. The more I learn helps me realize how little I know.
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