Vaccines are moving the needle...

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Based on what- your opinion?

I would imagine he knows what both of those terms mean, thus the statement.

[Steve Carlton]

I didn’t ask him if he knows what the words mean.

[javadog]

Well then, read this and ruin your evening.

https://brownstone.org/articles/the-meaning-of-the-fda-resignations/

[Steve Carlton]

It looks like The Brownstone Institute (formed in May, 2021) is led by Jeffrey Tucker, who has his clearly stated agenda. On their home page:

The motive force of the Brownstone Institute is the global crisis created by policy responses to the Covid-19 pandemic of 2020. That trauma revealed a fundamental misunderstanding alive in all countries around the world today, a willingness on the part of the public and officials to forego freedom and fundamental human rights in the name of a public health crisis. The consequences were devastating and will live in infamy.

In their mission statement:

The world needs the Brownstone Institute now to prevent the next “snap” lockdown and make the case for an open and free society. The idea is to correct and compete with the mainstream media and take on the technocratic disease managers, or anyone else who believes rights and liberties can be violated, at the discretion of political leaders, to central plans.

The article in your link tries to make something out of the resignations of Marion Gruber and Phillip Kause. He has no idea why, yet he speculates on it. That is not fact; that's supposition. He speculates they resigned to stay ahead of a firestorm from this legitimate article, which they co-authored, along with several others:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02046-8/fulltext

Here's an opinion of Jeffrey Tucker and his Brownstone Institute. I don't know if Angry Bear is legit:

https://angrybearblog.com/2021/09/does-the-brownstone-institute-produce-reasoned-arguments-or-propaganda-we-report-you-decide

Today the FDA only recommended boosters for those 65 and over or those at risk for severe Covid. Seems a measured approach, no?:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/17/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

[mdj930]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

For me, the pandemic is ended when a sh.t ton of people aren't getting seriously ill and dying. That's good enough- creating immunity is great, but really the goal of that is to seriously reduce serious sick or dying.



Seems like Jimmy Dore wants to hang his hat on the changing strategy for dealing with COVID as worthy of invalidating it. We weren't experts on this a year and a half ago. It's a moving target, especially with Delta. Jimmy seems to concentrate on getting infected vs getting ill (and overwhelming the hospital system) and maybe dying. (I only watched 13:00 to 16:00). I believe the risk of long term adverse effects are higher with the unvaccinated, too.

Anyone notice what's happening in Idaho?

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/16/1037987107/idaho-rations-health-care-statewide-covid-19-coronavirus-hospital

First of all thanks for embeddings the video.
That part was just pointing out the vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread covid equally. The beginning of the video all the Dems saying they don't trust the Trump vaccine. Now they want to mandate the jab. Interesting how that changed.
This is an interview with Dr. Robert Malone his life's work is vaccine's. Claimed founder of mRNA. Now claimed by the press and big Tech as disinformation doctor. The last 6 min. Or so he gives his steps to deal with covid.
I found this very interesting.

https://youtu.be/iwPKnOhJRYg

Mike

[Skillet83]

Been a couple days. We still talking about this? Where I live, did not know Covid was still a thing.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Skillet83

Been a couple days. We still talking about this? Where I live, did not know Covid was still a thing.

Almost 2,000 deaths in the US today. Just like old times.

Glad you're safe.

[mdj930]

Today the FDA only recommended boosters for those 65 and over or those at risk for severe Covid. Seems a measured approach, no?:


Yes because they have been irresponsible with the vaccine. Only people that are at high risk should have been given the vaccine. Anyone with an average immune system does not need the vaccine. The video I posted address reasons why the FDA made that recommendations.
Mike

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by mdj930

First of all thanks for embeddings the video.
That part was just pointing out the vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread covid equally. The beginning of the video all the Dems saying they don't trust the Trump vaccine. Now they want to mandate the jab. Interesting how that changed.
This is an interview with Dr. Robert Malone his life's work is vaccine's. Claimed founder of mRNA. Now claimed by the press and big Tech as disinformation doctor. The last 6 min. Or so he gives his steps to deal with covid.
I found this very interesting.

https://youtu.be/iwPKnOhJRYg

Mike

He seems like a guy that was there early on who made an important contribution, but claims more credit than he deserves. His 4-pronged approach to the virus is 1) vaccines for the people who really need it because the vaccine will generate mutant viruses. He has his opinion and it's not in alignment with most. I don't agree, based on what I've seen/read, 2) early intervention with imperfect drug combinations (nothing specified at 1:11:17), 3) rapid test kits, 4) apps to determine your risk.

I don't think his accomplishment in 1989 makes him an expert in 2021. He's certainly entitled to his opinion. The Atlantic doesn't think too highly of him:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Skillet83

Been a couple days. We still talking about this? Where I live, did not know Covid was still a thing.

We forgot to take Ivermectin and vitamin D and call you in the morning. Sorry.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Today the FDA only recommended boosters for those 65 and over or those at risk for severe Covid. Seems a measured approach, no?

Originally Posted by mdj930

Yes because they have been irresponsible with the vaccine. Only people that are at high risk should have been given the vaccine. Anyone with an average immune system does not need the vaccine. The video I posted address reasons why the FDA made that recommendations.
Mike

How do you figure the FDA has been irresponsible with the vaccine? Based on Robert Malone's opinion?

How do you figure anyone with an average immune system does not need the vaccine? How does one evaluate one's immune system and how does that square with all the folks that have gotten sick or maybe sick then died? Do you see the vaccine doing anything to prevent or slow people down from getting Covid, therefore slowing down its spread?

Seems reasonable to me that the FDA recommended what they did at this stage. The whole booster thing isn't completely evaluated yet, IMO.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by javadog

The virus is endemic, we are never going to get rid of it.

I hope that doesn’t ruin your entire life.

It’s sucks that we still have to deal with smallpox. Quit being a moron.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

For me, the pandemic is ended when a sh.t ton of people aren't getting seriously ill and dying. That's good enough- creating immunity is great, but really the goal of that is to seriously reduce serious sick or dying.



Seems like Jimmy Dore wants to hang his hat on the changing strategy for dealing with COVID as worthy of invalidating it. We weren't experts on this a year and a half ago. It's a moving target, especially with Delta. Jimmy seems to concentrate on getting infected vs getting ill (and overwhelming the hospital system) and maybe dying. (I only watched 13:00 to 16:00). I believe the risk of long term adverse effects are higher with the unvaccinated, too.

Anyone notice what's happening in Idaho?

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/16/1037987107/idaho-rations-health-care-statewide-covid-19-coronavirus-hospital

That’s exactly what I meant by ending the pandemic. These idiots know that.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

...
Anyone notice what's happening in Idaho?..

I checked Worldometer.. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/idaho/

Idaho
Coronavirus Cases:241,263
Deaths:2,613
Recovered: 122,859

[island911]

Looks like Hawaii is the one that should be noteworthy.




Funny, Hawaii blames the tourists, and yet that is the one State where you are not allowed to fly in unless you have been tested, and for some islands, tested when you land.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

The Atlantic doesn't think too highly of him:

Who is "The Atlantic" ?

[Steve Carlton]

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-atlantic/

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by island911

I checked Worldometer.. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/idaho/

Idaho
Coronavirus Cases:241,263
Deaths:2,613
Recovered: 122,859

Interesting that the article that Steve linked wasn’t focused on a fatality rate, rather a healthcare system that is at a breaking point. Here in NorCal the county I live in announced today that there are no icu beds available in our county. Looks like I’ll be foregoing that motorcycle ride to the coast this weekend. Maybe I’m living in fear as you call it but should a deer run out in front of me or a distracted driver rear end me, I’d like to know there would be a bed for me in the icu should I need it.

[island911]

the atlantic = lib porn.

[island911]

Originally Posted by upsscott

Interesting that the article that Steve linked wasn’t focused on a fatality rate, rather a healthcare system that is at a breaking point. Here in NorCal the county I live in announced today that there are no icu beds ...

Oh. Are they firing HC workers if they aren't vax'd? - no workers = no ICU.