Vaccines are moving the needle...

[javadog]

The my variant does have a higher resistance to the vaccine. That’s been reported worldwide. Here’s one link I pulled off of a Google search, sue me if it offends your tender sensibilities:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210908/Mu-SARS-CoV-2-variant-highly-resistant-to-neutralization-by-convalescent-and-vaccinated-sera.aspx

I find it interesting that you hold Fauci up to be credible at this point. He’s lied his ass off from day one of this ****ing thing and the last person I would trust is that *******.

The guy that blogs at the conservative treehouse site normally focuses on the government. He’s not a scientist, certainly by no means a virologist, but he does understand the federal government very well and has both significant sources and a huge database of information that you’ve probably missed. I would encourage you to pay attention to what he says on issues pertaining to the feds, as he’s generally 90+ percent on the money.

The reason I linked that post was not for his commentary but for that of the people in the videos. Take the information contained therein as you wish, feel free to debate it if you think you know more about virology than a guy who has a PhD in it. Take note that the greatest pushback from the left is always against people that are providing the most clarity. The left has a nasty agenda with this disease, they are pretty aggressive in pushing back against any source that threatens to undermine that. Keep that in mind when you evaluate the credibility of people.

[Sooner or later]

"The booster is needed to stem the impacts from the strength of the Delta variant created by the vaccine designed for the original COVID-19 virus. The Delta booster will address the mutation of the virus, created by the vaccine."

Delta was first identified in India in December 2020.
Mu was firat identified in Columbia in Jan 2021

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by javadog

The first link does work, I just checked it again. Looks like the problem is on your end, maybe you should fix it.

As for your second question, that should be obvious if you have any reading comprehension left, whatsoever. Your first clue should be that I quoted a previous post.

To make it completely clear, in case that’s not clear enough, both links were in response to questions posed by cabmando. He asked a couple questions, I gave him links where he might find his answers.

I got the first link to come up by pasting the link into IE. No idea why Firefox won't open it. That's about the vaccination scar. Not important.

Here's the question you were "answering" with your link:

Originally Posted by cabmando

And how do we explain the mutations that came from countries that have a lesser rate of vaccination? If vaccination causes mutation, why aren't we seeing new variants of concern? You'd think we'd have one from Israel, USA etc... is someone hiding something?

Your link explains a lot about the variants and how they occur- standard biology stuff. It does not explain how vaccinations cause mutation. I think I may not be the one with the reading comprehension problem...

By the way- from your second link:

It is important to remember that what most of these variants have in common is a more effective transmission pattern, which has been associated with a surge in infections in various areas of the world. In addition, some data suggest that increased morbidity and perhaps mortality can be associated with some of the variants. The impact on treatment and vaccines is still being determined, although preliminary data points to minimal impact on vaccine efficacy. Moreover, vaccine manufacturers have significant capabilities in the reformulation of vaccines.

We also know the transmission mode is the same as with the wild-type (unchanged) coronavirus, thus preventing infection should follow a similar public health guidance: facial coverings, social distancing, avoiding gatherings, and practicing appropriate hygiene and sanitation. These simple rules along with increased immunization and appropriate levels of testing continue to be the key pillars in our management of the pandemic.

[javadog]

When does the lambda booster come out? How about the mu booster? What’s after that?

What are the daily pills going to do for you?

You ever getting off the train?

You worry that the side effects may be cumulative?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by javadog

The my variant does have a higher resistance to the vaccine. That’s been reported worldwide. Here’s one link I pulled off of a Google search, sue me if it offends your tender sensibilities:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210908/Mu-SARS-CoV-2-variant-highly-resistant-to-neutralization-by-convalescent-and-vaccinated-sera.aspx

I find it interesting that you hold Fauci up to be credible at this point. He’s lied his ass off from day one of this ****ing thing and the last person I would trust is that *******.

The guy that blogs at the conservative treehouse site normally focuses on the government. He’s not a scientist, certainly by no means a virologist, but he does understand the federal government very well and has both significant sources and a huge database of information that you’ve probably missed. I would encourage you to pay attention to what he says on issues pertaining to the feds, as he’s generally 90+ percent on the money.

The reason I linked that post was not for his commentary but for that of the people in the videos. Take the information contained therein as you wish, feel free to debate it if you think you know more about virology than a guy who has a PhD in it. Take note that the greatest pushback from the left is always against people that are providing the most clarity. The left has a nasty agenda with this disease, they are pretty aggressive in pushing back against any source that threatens to undermine that. Keep that in mind when you evaluate the credibility of people.

"Virus neutralization assays revealed that B.1.621 was 12.4 times more resistant to sera taken from eight COVID-19 convalescents who were infected between April and September 2020 than the parental virus was.

The variant was also 7.6 times more resistant to sera obtained from ten individuals who had been immunized with Pfizer-BioNTech’s BNT162b2 vaccine compared with the parental virus."

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by javadog

The my variant does have a higher resistance to the vaccine. That’s been reported worldwide. Here’s one link I pulled off of a Google search, sue me if it offends your tender sensibilities:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210908/Mu-SARS-CoV-2-variant-highly-resistant-to-neutralization-by-convalescent-and-vaccinated-sera.aspx

I find it interesting that you hold Fauci up to be credible at this point. He’s lied his ass off from day one of this ****ing thing and the last person I would trust is that *******.

The guy that blogs at the conservative treehouse site normally focuses on the government. He’s not a scientist, certainly by no means a virologist, but he does understand the federal government very well and has both significant sources and a huge database of information that you’ve probably missed. I would encourage you to pay attention to what he says on issues pertaining to the feds, as he’s generally 90+ percent on the money.

The reason I linked that post was not for his commentary but for that of the people in the videos. Take the information contained therein as you wish, feel free to debate it if you think you know more about virology than a guy who has a PhD in it. Take note that the greatest pushback from the left is always against people that are providing the most clarity. The left has a nasty agenda with this disease, they are pretty aggressive in pushing back against any source that threatens to undermine that. Keep that in mind when you evaluate the credibility of people.

I think the jury is out on the Mu variant, but it looks to me to be more resistant. In the video that you wanted us to see, Fauci says it's a maybe right now and the greater concern is the Delta variant, which is 99% of what's out there now. In my opinion, Fauci is a national hero. In my opinion, you are a Pelican disgrace. Please share credible information about Fauci's lying.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Your link explains a lot about the variants and how they occur- standard biology stuff. It does not explain how vaccinations cause mutation. I think I may not be the one with the reading comprehension problem...

That was in a link with a video, previous to that post.

Let me walk you through this, again. I was responding to questions from cabmando. The discussion of vaccine pressure driving mutations is in the video which he has not watched. I reminded him yet again to watch it. He said he would, we’ll see.

He had other questions about why we are not seeing variants from other countries, yada yada yada and all the rest. The link I referenced explained, in detail, that we are experiencing exactly that. It’s the most useful link I found to answer that particular question and it’s a good primer for anybody that wants to know the difference between mutation, variant, strain and all of the other words that are getting thrown around in the media.

Frankly, I don’t understand his questions, in that there is widespread media coverage about all of these new variants, strains, mutations, whatever. How he missed that is a mystery. Maybe he gets all his news through Tinder.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

"Virus neutralization assays revealed that B.1.621 was 12.4 times more resistant to sera taken from eight COVID-19 convalescents who were infected between April and September 2020 than the parental virus was.

The variant was also 7.6 times more resistant to sera obtained from ten individuals who had been immunized with Pfizer-BioNTech’s BNT162b2 vaccine compared with the parental virus."

I saw that and looked it up. It doesn't even have a name yet. Fortunately, it's a very small percentage of what's out there. All the more reason to try and stop COVID from spreading worldwide.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I think the jury is out on the Mu variant, but it looks to me to be more resistant. In the video that you wanted us to see, Fauci says it's a maybe right now and the greater concern is the Delta variant, which is 99% of what's out there now. In my opinion, Fauci is a national hero. In my opinion, you are a Pelican disgrace. Please share credible information about Fauci's lying.

Well, in my opinion, you’re some thing of an dingbat. A poorly informed one, at that.

Fauci’s lying, yet again, has been front page news this week. You missed that? Maybe you should quit reading news sources that censor the news. Here’s an article that covers that very censorship, of that very subject, by the usual left wing media sources:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-msnbc-avoid-the-intercept-anthony-fauci-wuhan-lab-funding.amp

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I saw that and looked it up. It doesn't even have a name yet. Fortunately, it's a very small percentage of what's out there. All the more reason to try and stop COVID from spreading worldwide.

It’s starting to get a pretty good foothold in Miami. Won’t be long till it’s near your neighborhood.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by javadog

The discussion of vaccine pressure driving mutations is in the video which he has not watched.

I would be curious to see this video. The conservative treehouse article stated it as if it was fact. Is there something more compelling to support vaccines causing mutations? Please share, and I apologize if I've missed it. There's a lot of stuff here.

[Sooner or later]

I believe you misunderstood his question.

Originally Posted by javadog

He had other questions about why we are not seeing variants from other countries, yada yada yada and all the rest.

Originally Posted by cabmando

And how do we explain the mutations that came from countries that have a lesser rate of vaccination?

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I would be curious to see this video. The conservative treehouse article stated it as if it was fact. Is there something more compelling to support vaccines causing mutations? Please share, and I apologize if I've missed it. There's a lot of stuff here.

There’s nothing stopping you from watching the video. It’s a little long-winded, that probably puts most people off.

Feel free to do a search, using the search engine of your choice, on ADE, vaccines plus mutations, or some similar search criteria.

There’s a ton of information out there on that subject, it’s not new to this coronavirus. It’s a concern for all viruses and all vaccinations. It’s also why you have antibiotic resistant bacteria and those sorts of things.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

I believe you misunderstood his question.

It’s not that I misunderstood his question, it’s just that I don’t have the time nor patience that you seem to demonstrate on the subject, to bring him up to speed on things he could research on his own. I gave him a couple places to go for information that might answer his endless list of questions and it’s up to him if he wants to figure it out.

[javadog]

And, to add to that point, it’s not like I’m saying that viruses won’t mutate in an unvaccinated population. Of course they will, they all do. We are nearing what, a couple thousand mutations of the stupid thing already? The point being, that some people are making, is that vaccines may play a role in increasing the number or severity of the mutations.

The other thing is that there are so many more variables other than simply considering vaccination status. People around the globe have different climates, different immune system effectiveness, different patterns of living, a million other variables. The day that we have makes it difficult to separate one factor from all of the others.

I think we’ve handled this pandemic completely backwards. We should not have ever locked down like we did, we should have protected the most vulnerable and focused on early treatments. I think the entire vaccination program is misguided and is going to end up biting us in the ass.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by javadog

There’s nothing stopping you from watching the video. It’s a little long-winded, that probably puts most people off.

Feel free to do a search, using the search engine of your choice, on ADE, vaccines plus mutations, or some similar search criteria.

There’s a ton of information out there on that subject, it’s not new to this coronavirus. It’s a concern for all viruses and all vaccinations. It’s also why you have antibiotic resistant bacteria and those sorts of things.

If you post a link to the video, I'll check it out. Otherwise, not.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

If you post a link to the video, I'll check it out. Otherwise, not.

I’ve already posted it. Since you’re incapable of following a thread like the rest of us, I’ll post a direct link to the video, just for you:



https://rumble.com/vegf39-mass-vaccination-will-breed-dangerous-variants-and-destroy-our-immunity-

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by javadog

It’s not that I misunderstood his question, it’s just that I don’t have the time nor patience that you seem to demonstrate on the subject, to bring him up to speed on things he could research on his own. I gave him a couple places to go for information that might answer his endless list of questions and it’s up to him if he wants to figure it out.

What did you mean by this? That is not what he asked.

Originally Posted by javadog

He had other questions about why we are not seeing variants from other countries, yada yada yada and all the rest.

He clearly asked why we were seeing variants from other countries..

Originally Posted by cabmando

And how do we explain the mutations that came from countries that have a lesser rate of vaccination? If vaccination causes mutation, why aren't we seeing new variants of concern? You'd think we'd have one from Israel, USA etc... is someone hiding something?

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

What did you mean by this? That is not what he asked.

Jesus Christ, this is getting tedious. That was in response to this part of his quote, how can you have missed it?

Originally Posted by cabmando

Fair enough. I'll watch them... But I still want to know why I don't have a smallpox scar like all three of my older brothers do if vaccines cause mutations. And how do we explain the mutations that came from countries that have a lesser rate of vaccination? If vaccination causes mutation, why aren't we seeing new variants of concern? You'd think we'd have one from Israel, USA etc... is someone hiding something?

Notice any similarity to this:

Originally Posted by javadog

He had other questions about why we are not seeing variants from other countries, yada yada yada

I addressed the other question, elsewhere.

[javadog]

Let me repeat myself:

Originally Posted by javadog

And, to add to that point, it’s not like I’m saying that viruses won’t mutate in an unvaccinated population. Of course they will, they all do. We are nearing what, a couple thousand mutations of the stupid thing already? The point being, that some people are making, is that vaccines may play a role in increasing the number or severity of the mutations.

The other thing is that there are so many more variables other than simply considering vaccination status. People around the globe have different climates, different immune system effectiveness, different patterns of living, a million other variables. The day that we have makes it difficult to separate one factor from all of the others.

I think we’ve handled this pandemic completely backwards. We should not have ever locked down like we did, we should have protected the most vulnerable and focused on early treatments. I think the entire vaccination program is misguided and is going to end up biting us in the ass.