Vaccines are moving the needle...

[javadog]

Several people here have shared personal experiences they’ve had with bad reactions to the vaccines. I happen to think that adverse reactions are underreported, the only question is by how much.

Some people are making some shocking claims, like this one for instance:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/covid-whistleblower-wu-flu-fraud-vaers-reporting-database-tracking-vaccine-complications-wrong-factor-100/

Anybody think that we should look into things like this, to see what the truth is?

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Are you sure about that?

You can't be that clueless can you? People have anaphylactic reactions to the vaccine. It happens. And there are people who are indeed allergic to components which is why the vaccines carry a warning. If you were done with the stupid, you'd stop making stupid comments that show your lack of understanding of the vaccines or how they can affect people in different ways.

You should take the time to read Stephanie's (Porschegal) comment here about her reaction to the second dose. It was in a thread early on. She had a pretty tough go of it. She still recommended getting vaccinated, but she did indeed have a severe anaphylactic reaction.

I know several people who haven't been vaccinated and it has nothing to do with politics. Two had Covid and don't see a need to get vaccinated. One was around his wife and daughter when they both had covid and he never got it (or at least showed no symptoms of it). Three people I know just aren't comfortable with the vaccine, not because of any crazy website or blog they got bad info from, and I can understand their concerns as well.

I think that is typical with any vaccine. A small percentage of people will always have allergies. What I’m sick of is people who all of a sudden question this vaccine as opposed to all the other vaccines that have basically saved mankind. These morons make it political. I can’t stand Donald Trump. He’s quite possibly one of the worst humans to walk the earth in my opinion. However, I have to give him credit for pumping money into Operation Warp Speed. His administration can take credit for green lighting these vaccines. We don’t need 100% of the population to get vaccinated but we need more than we have now to beat this virus down.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by javadog

Several people here have shared personal experiences they’ve had with bad reactions to the vaccines. I happen to think that adverse reactions are underreported, the only question is by how much.

Some people are making some shocking claims, like this one for instance:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/covid-whistleblower-wu-flu-fraud-vaers-reporting-database-tracking-vaccine-complications-wrong-factor-100/

Anybody think that we should look into things like this, to see what the truth is?

Bad symptoms? What are we talking about here? Sore arm? Nausea? Lethargy? For how long? A day, two, three? I’d take that over Covid Pneumonia any day of the week. My goal is to stay away from a hospital as much as possible. 90% of our full hospital here in my town are unvaccinated folks seeking treatment for Covid. All 15 ICU beds are filled with unvaccinated people suffering from Covid. That’s not from the media, that is from a very close friend who happens to be an attending Physician there. They are now rationing the monoclonal antibody treatment because of the shear number of patients needing it. Sorry, I don’t have a Gateway Pundit link to “Prove” my point, just first hand knowledge.

[gordner]

I believe that is the definition of second hand knowledge, for what it is worth.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by javadog

I happen to think that adverse reactions are underreported, the only question is by how much.

How about not reporting them at all?

Vaccines Are SO Safe, That DOL And OSHA No Longer Bother Reporting Adverse Reactions:
https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=613ad21da5758
https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs

Those teens who are holding out, some posters here want to see them take the blood clot challenge..

CDC: teens injected with COVID shots have 7.5 times more deaths, 15 times more disabilities, 44 times more hospitalizations than all FDA approved vaccines in 2021:
https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/human-rights/cdc-teens-injected-with-covid-shots-have-7-5-times-more-deaths-15-times-more-disabilities-44-times-more-hospitalizations-than-all-fda-approved-vaccines-in-2021

“Evidence from studies show it is unlikely for boys to suffer either heart problems from the vaccine or be hospitalized by Covid,” the publication notes. “The risk of a healthy boy needing hospital treatment owing to Covid-19 in the next 120 days is 26.7 per million. This means the risk they face from heart complications is 6.1 times higher than that of hospitalization.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/teenage-boys-6x-likely-suffer-heart-problems-covid-vax-hospitalized-coronavirus/

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by gordner

I believe that is the definition of second hand knowledge, for what it is worth.

Getting the real number at a hospital from a physician who works there? Yes, I’m getting that second hand.

[Tobra]

I am allergic to it Scott. I would rather take my chances with the 99.95% survival rate for the bioweapon than the certain to harm me jab.

Originally Posted by javadog

Several people here have shared personal experiences they’ve had with bad reactions to the vaccines. I happen to think that adverse reactions are underreported, the only question is by how much.

If you consider it for even a moment, it is clear they are under reported.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by Tobra

I am allergic to it Scott. I would rather take my chances with the 99.95% survival rate for the bioweapon than the certain to harm me jab.


If you consider it for even a moment, it is clear they are under reported.

You are part of a very small percentage of people. Luckily we don’t need everybody to get the vaccine.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by upsscott

I think that is typical with any vaccine. .

No !

Here's just one case in point ...

[mdj930]

Originally Posted by upsscott

You are part of a very small percentage of people. Luckily we don’t need everybody to get the vaccine.

Who are we? You speaking for the heard?
Mike

[island911]

Well well... what is going on here...

[island911]

I should add that Pfizer wants this booster approval based on studies covering about 300 people; 12 of the study people over 65. No control group.

[javadog]

That’s ridiculous.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by mdj930

Who are we? You speaking for the heard?
Mike

I’m speaking for people that want the damn pandemic to end.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by upsscott

I’m speaking for people that want the damn pandemic to end.

The virus is endemic, we are never going to get rid of it.

I hope that doesn’t ruin your entire life.

[Sooner or later]

You can watch the FDA discussion at the following link.

I watched a few minutes where they were discussing trial size. Past booster trials were 300 to a 1000 in size. There was also a discussion on data from a hospital system that has followed the current 3 dose approval for those at high risk. If it is still available later I will watch more.

https://youtu.be/WFph7-6t34M

[mdj930]

Originally Posted by upsscott

I’m speaking for people that want the damn pandemic to end.

What do you think will end it? The vaccination won't.
I really enjoyed this video the flip flop of our government. If you don't watch the whole thing watch from 13 to 16 min. Not safe for work.
https://youtu.be/kq1WuFuglz0
Mike

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by upsscott

I’m speaking for people that want the damn pandemic to end.

Originally Posted by javadog

The virus is endemic, we are never going to get rid of it.

I hope that doesn’t ruin your entire life.

For me, the pandemic is ended when a sh.t ton of people aren't getting seriously ill and dying. That's good enough- creating immunity is great, but really the goal of that is to seriously reduce serious sick or dying.



Seems like Jimmy Dore wants to hang his hat on the changing strategy for dealing with COVID as worthy of invalidating it. We weren't experts on this a year and a half ago. It's a moving target, especially with Delta. Jimmy seems to concentrate on getting infected vs getting ill (and overwhelming the hospital system) and maybe dying. (I only watched 13:00 to 16:00). I believe the risk of long term adverse effects are higher with the unvaccinated, too.

Anyone notice what's happening in Idaho?

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/16/1037987107/idaho-rations-health-care-statewide-covid-19-coronavirus-hospital

[Tobra]

It is endemic, not pandemic. There is a difference.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Tobra

It is endemic, not pandemic. There is a difference.

Based on what- your opinion?