Vaccines are moving the needle...

[beepbeep]

There is another aspect of Covid. It is not just "you die or you do not". People who were intubated or sedated and put on a vent and survived are not just walking home and continuing their life as it was. They often suffer from post-Covid complications and long term issues. Thus, "surviving" Covid in mild form or "the hard way"has a large impact on quality of life afterwards.

[pmax]

FFR, I’ll just say this and you can make your own decision. The jab hammers your immune system for the first few weeks, longer for some ... so draw your own conclusions. But given you have had it twice, the jab gonna do ****. Early treatment is key if it hits.

All the best to wife’s recovery.

[mdj930]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7
Interesting article on how effective the vaccine is
Mike

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by pmax

Early treatment is key if it hits.

What early treatment is that? Seems there are none.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by john70t

2,100 x 350,000,000 = $735,000,000,000
That's a lot of dividends!!

It's nice that the government is paying for all of this medicine..for free..
But yet the most vulnerable POC are being denied treatment.
(um what happened to those values)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/40-illegal-aliens-bused-texas-city-test-positive-covid-19/
The city of Laredo, Texas, has refused to take in migrants who have been bused in from elsewhere on the border after discovering 40% of them tested positive for the coronavirus, according to two local government officials.

Leaving the border wide open isn’t gonna help.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by mdj930

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7
Interesting article on how effective the vaccine is
Mike

Looks legit, but doesn't make a lot of sense, except for the effect of the immunity fading over time. Looks like the source isn't very reliable.

https://retractionwatch.com/2015/08/17/64-more-papers-retracted-for-fake-reviews-this-time-from-springer-journals/

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

What early treatment is that? Seems there are none.

The PPOT collector thread ...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1098889-covid-treatment-advances.html

Better than Tylenol which is the standard of care at this time, believe it or not.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

What early treatment is that? Seems there are none.

Monoclonal antibodies are very effective. The new Merck pill should have an EUA soon. I'm sure there are other protocols we haven't even heard of being outside the medical community.

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-and-ridgebacks-investigational-oral-antiviral-molnupiravir-reduced-the-risk-of-hospitalization-or-death-by-approximately-50-percent-compared-to-placebo-for-patients-with-mild-or-moderat/

[mdj930]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Looks legit, but doesn't make a lot of sense, except for the effect of the immunity fading over time. Looks like the source isn't very reliable.

https://retractionwatch.com/2015/08/17/64-more-papers-retracted-for-fake-reviews-this-time-from-springer-journals/

Let me help you out Steve. First let's forget this springe-journal you researched I have no idea what that is. The paper was submitted to the European Journal of Epidemiology. that paper was submitted by S. V. Subramanian and Akhil Kumar. If you go to the article you can just click on the names and you are directed to who they are.
The references they used to write the article and authors are on the bottom of the article.
Now since all that was right in front of you and all you saw was springer link and missed all the important information.
I suggest you go back and read the paper with an open mind.
Researching the Springer journal after reading the article makes no sense.
Mike

[Sooner or later]

The paper seems fine. What does Subremanian say about the paper and some reports that the paper makes a case that the vaccines are ineffective?

“That conclusion is misleading and inaccurate, This paper supports vaccination as an important strategy for reducing infection and transmission, along with hand-washing, mask-wearing, and physical distancing.”

“Other research has clearly and definitively established that the vaccines significantly reduce the risk of hospitalization and mortality.”

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

it seems nutz to get any follow-up injections without first getting tested for antibody level.

It is nuts to get the first jab without antibody testing first.

[VINMAN]

If you want the vax, I respect your choice.

If you refuse the vax, I respect your choice.

Its that simple. Neither side should be pushing their agenda.

Im not anti vax as much as anti mandate. ( although I have no intent of getting it...)

[javadog]

Originally Posted by mdj930

Let me help you out Steve. First let's forget this springe-journal you researched I have no idea what that is. The paper was submitted to the European Journal of Epidemiology. that paper was submitted by S. V. Subramanian and Akhil Kumar. If you go to the article you can just click on the names and you are directed to who they are.
The references they used to write the article and authors are on the bottom of the article.
Now since all that was right in front of you and all you saw was springer link and missed all the important information.
I suggest you go back and read the paper with an open mind.
Researching the Springer journal after reading the article makes no sense.
Mike

He seems to have a habit of immediately going to the Internet to see if he can find some left-wing source that criticizes whatever link you post. He pulled that crap enough times with me that I quit posting anything for him to look at. He has terrible sources and can’t seem to think for himself, he needs to have someone to tell him what to think.

If he wants to live his life like a mushroom in the forest, it’s no skin off my nose.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by javadog

He seems to have a habit of immediately going to the Internet to see if he can find some left-wing source that criticizes whatever link you post. He pulled that crap enough times with me that I quit posting anything for him to look at. He has terrible sources and can’t seem to think for himself, he needs to have someone to tell him what to think.

If he wants to live his life like a mushroom in the forest, it’s no skin off my nose.

Wait, don’t you do that as well?

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Tobra

It is nuts to get the first jab without antibody testing first.

Not if you don't fear the vaccine. Very likely the best protection is through hybrid immunity.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/09/07/1033677208/new-studies-find-evidence-of-superhuman-immunity-to-covid-19-in-some-individuals

[speeder]

Like all really really smart people, he fears the vaccine more than Covid.

That’s the wrong bet, as many people are finding out the hard way.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by upsscott

Wait, don’t you do that as well?

No.

Thanks for participating, here’s your trophy.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by javadog

No.

Thanks for participating, here’s your trophy.

Every link you post is from some right wing point of view. It makes you feel warm and fuzzy about your beliefs. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by javadog

He seems to have a habit of immediately going to the Internet to see if he can find some left-wing source that criticizes whatever link you post. He pulled that crap enough times with me that I quit posting anything for him to look at. He has terrible sources and can’t seem to think for himself, he needs to have someone to tell him what to think.

If he wants to live his life like a mushroom in the forest, it’s no skin off my nose.

1) Not left wing sources. Anything that doesn't agree with your narrative is left wing, and therefore invalid. You're on this right wing anti-everything squad, making medical issues political. Continue on with your blind hate.

2) You almost always post invalid information from non-credible sources. I'm sorry you believe that crap, but please don't pass it along as fact. It makes you look stupid.

3) Please show me the sources I refer to are terrible, other than days and weeks after the fact. I don't accept anything that comes off the top of your head. Sorry. Facts are not facts because you think so or have posted crap that you found online. Tons of it, and you've shown you don't know what's credible or not.

4) I can think for myself, thank you. I don't purport to be a medical expert, so I link to credible sources. You dismiss them all- NYT, NPR, FDC, CDC, Washington Post. When I ask you for the credible sources you use- crickets. Every time.

5) Live like a mushroom? You argue like a 6th grader. I think you're an IQ masochist.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by upsscott

Every link you post is from some right wing point of view. It makes you feel warm and fuzzy about your beliefs. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

Someday, when you put your big boy pants on, you’ll be able to argue the merits of a discussion without having to shoot the messenger. Anything to the right of CNN or MSNBC is “right wing” to you.