Vaccines are moving the needle...

[David Inc.]

Originally Posted by javadog

I’m sure it will eventually come out, one way or another, whether the mainstream media chooses to report it widely is pretty doubtful. The drug companies, the CDC, and governments all over the world and most mainstream media outlets are already covering up anything negative with regards to the vaccines. The dumb half of the public is doing their part, too, and helping to fight the truth.

What is this based on? Even anecdotally, which is always a poor way to look at things, I know of no-one directly or indirectly who has had complications from the vaccine. On the other hand two people I know of directly and six people indirectly (second connection) that have died of Covid. I have consoled friends over lost family members due to Covid. I have joked with friends over having a rough day after getting the vaccine.

That the misinformation and commitment to the lie from anti-vaxxers continues in the face of even the most personal, verifiable connections is absolutely astounding.

The best counter-example of the "hidden killer vaccine" is that when issues first started to arise with some of the vaccines they were very quickly put on hold until further research determined the exact issue and could provide further recommendations on its use. What was it, the J&J vaccine could cause embolisms in young women, something like that? The effect was highly publicized in the mainstream media and great cause for concern, but so far no other major issues have come up (to my knowledge) from the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines.

Edit: I mean holy hell could you imagine the ad revenue if you were the first media network to report on legitimate, dangerous complications from the Pfizer vaccine? Oh my god people would watch you non-stop to see what was happening. Forget the government asking you to tone it down, you'd make so much money!

[Steve Carlton]

Welcome to the OT forum, David. How do you like your nuts? Fresh, toasted, or extra spicy?

[javadog]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

What is this based on? Even anecdotally, which is always a poor way to look at things, I know of no-one directly or indirectly who has had complications from the vaccine. On the other hand two people I know of directly and six people indirectly (second connection) that have died of Covid. I have consoled friends over lost family members due to Covid. I have joked with friends over having a rough day after getting the vaccine.

That the misinformation and commitment to the lie from anti-vaxxers continues in the face of even the most personal, verifiable connections is absolutely astounding.

The best counter-example of the "hidden killer vaccine" is that when issues first started to arise with some of the vaccines they were very quickly put on hold until further research determined the exact issue and could provide further recommendations on its use. What was it, the J&J vaccine could cause embolisms in young women, something like that? The effect was highly publicized in the mainstream media and great cause for concern, but so far no other major issues have come up (to my knowledge) from the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines.

Edit: I mean holy hell could you imagine the ad revenue if you were the first media network to report on legitimate, dangerous complications from the Pfizer vaccine? Oh my god people would watch you non-stop to see what was happening. Forget the government asking you to tone it down, you'd make so much money!

This is based on statistics kept by governments. Public health Scotland is showing deaths that are 30% higher than normal, which after adjusting for Covid, is at least 20% higher than it should be. Germany is seeing 20% higher deaths. I would imagine most countries in the western world keep these sort of statistics.

Your anecdotal experience within your small circle of friends and family is relatively meaningless.

As for why the media doesn’t report this, I can’t answer that. They do seem to have a political agenda. Companies like Google actively suppress information like this, see my previous post on that subject. In the end, the why doesn’t really matter. All that matters is that they are.

[john70t]

The Science appears to be that new Covid cases actually increase in highly vaccinated areas:
Israel https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why,
the UK https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/uk-to-fauci-we-have-a-big-problem/,
and others.

Some might infer a direct correlation...that vaccines cause new Covid variants by destroying the immune system.
"Vaccine Immune Deficiency" will be a new term in the coming years.

But when international medical institutions deliberately ignore that data, it is not actually science:
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/whistleblower-fda-and-cdc-ignore-3e2
Whistleblower: FDA and CDC Ignore Damning Report that over 90% of a Hospital’s Admissions were Vaccinated for Covid-19 and No One Was Reporting This to VAERS

And when the general populous is subjected to extreme punitive measures involving their ability to survive, but meanwhile exemptions are openly allowed for selected public individuals and/or entire segments of citizens and non-citizens alike, it is truly a canard.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck.

[David Inc.]

Originally Posted by javadog

This is based on statistics kept by governments. Public health Scotland is showing deaths that are 30% higher than normal, which after adjusting for Covid, is at least 20% higher than it should be. Germany is seeing 20% higher deaths. I would imagine most countries in the western world keep these sort of statistics.

Your anecdotal experience within your small circle of friends and family is relatively meaningless.

As for why the media doesn’t report this, I can’t answer that. They do seem to have a political agenda. Companies like Google actively suppress information like this, see my previous post on that subject. In the end, the why doesn’t really matter. All that matters is that they are.

I can't explain or produce evidence of my claims but they're doing it of course.

And my small circle of friends was a large infrastructure project that continued through the pandemic, with ties to many contractors. Still, anecdotal is anecdotal. Anyway, no reports from anyone of an adverse vaccine effect.

[David Inc.]

Originally Posted by john70t

The Science appears to be that new Covid cases actually increase in highly vaccinated areas:
Israel https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why,
the UK https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/uk-to-fauci-we-have-a-big-problem/,
and others.

Some might infer a direct correlation...that vaccines cause new Covid variants by destroying the immune system.
"Vaccine Immune Deficiency" will be a new term in the coming years.

But when international medical institutions deliberately ignore that data, it is not actually science:
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/whistleblower-fda-and-cdc-ignore-3e2
Whistleblower: FDA and CDC Ignore Damning Report that over 90% of a Hospital’s Admissions were Vaccinated for Covid-19 and No One Was Reporting This to VAERS

And when the general populous is subjected to extreme punitive measures involving their ability to survive, but meanwhile exemptions are openly allowed for selected public individuals and/or entire segments of citizens and non-citizens alike, it is truly a canard.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck.

Some wild sources there dude, and the one legitimate one counters what you're claiming with science.

I don't know why I'm the world I'm engaging here. Conspiracy nuts aren't salvageable through internet connections.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

Some wild sources there dude, and the one legitimate one counters what you're claiming with science.

I don't know why I'm the world I'm engaging here. Conspiracy nuts aren't salvageable through internet connections.

Story of my life for the last few weeks. You learn fast, Young Jedi.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

I can't explain or produce evidence of my claims but they're doing it of course.

I don’t know if that is directed at me but, if so, you can’t find Public Health Scotland? Can’t even find a media article about it?

[David Inc.]

Originally Posted by javadog

I don’t know if that is directed at me but, if so, you can’t find Public Health Scotland? Can’t even find a media article about it?

The problem is I can find tons debunking the misrepresentation of data coming from Scotland, i.e., your claims, and the last thing I'm going to do is waste time proving some guy on the internet wrong who isn't even living in the same reality as me.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

The problem is I can find tons debunking the misrepresentation of data coming from Scotland, i.e., your claims, and the last thing I'm going to do is waste time proving some guy on the internet wrong who isn't even living in the same reality as me.

Well, Public Health Scotland does have a website and you can see the data for yourself.

If that’s not good enough for you, then piss off. You’re right, we don’t live in the same world. Thank God I don’t live in yours.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

Some wild sources there dude, and the one legitimate one counters what you're claiming with science.

I don't know why I'm the world I'm engaging here. Conspiracy nuts aren't salvageable through internet connections.

How do you absolutely know it's a 'conspiracy theory' when the VAERs data is simply not being collected (by stated policy)?

It's the same with all these types of threads: Demand data to substantiate an opposing view, reject those sources as unreliable even when it involves public international macro-statistics, claim the opposite is occurring without providing any counter argument, personal insult, insult everyone else. It's usually why I don't bother. It's not really a discussion but an attempt to intimidate.

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Originally Posted by john70t

How do you absolutely know it's a 'conspiracy theory' when the VAERs data is simply not being collected (by stated policy)?
.

Healthcare providers are required by law to report to VAERS:
https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html

[javadog]

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951

Healthcare providers are required by law to report to VAERS:
https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html

Funny, how I am seeing reports from doctors where they are discouraged from doing so.

I don’t know anybody that thinks the VAERS numbers are anywhere close to accurate.

[David Inc.]

Originally Posted by javadog

Funny, how I am seeing reports from doctors where they are discouraged from doing so.

I don’t know anybody that thinks the VAERS numbers are anywhere close to accurate.

Some people lie on the internet for attention.

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Originally Posted by javadog

Funny, how I am seeing reports from doctors where they are discouraged from doing so.

I don’t know anybody that thinks the VAERS numbers are anywhere close to accurate.

I wasn't encouraged. Just a data point.

[mdj930]

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951

Healthcare providers are required by law to report to VAERS:
https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html

I'm not sure that's true.

Healthcare providers are required by law to report to VAERS:

Any adverse event listed in the VAERS Table of Reportable Events Following Vaccination that occurs within the specified time period after vaccinations
An adverse event listed by the vaccine manufacturer as a contraindication to further doses of the vaccine


Healthcare providers are strongly encouraged to report to VAERS:

Any adverse event that occurs after the administration of a vaccine licensed in the United States, whether it is or is not clear that a vaccine caused the adverse event
Vaccine administration errors


VAERS Table of Reportable Events Following Vaccination doesn't show COVID vaccine.
Maybe you can show me where I missed it.
Mike

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Originally Posted by mdj930

I'm not sure that's true.
.
Maybe you can show me where I missed it.
Mike

FAQS:Also report any additional select AEs and/or any revised safety reporting requirements per FDA’s conditions of authorized use of vaccine(s) throughout the duration of any COVID-19 Vaccine being authorized under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA).

AE defined as:
Serious AEs regardless of causality. Serious AEs per FDA are defined as:
Death;
A life-threatening AE;
Inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization;
A persistent or significant incapacity or substantial disruption of the ability to conduct normal life functions;
A congenital anomaly/birth defect;
An important medical event that based on appropriate medical judgement may jeopardize the individual and may require medical or surgical intervention to prevent one of the outcomes listed above.

Goodnight folks. I'm out.

[hbueno]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Story of my life for the last few weeks. You learn fast, Young Jedi.

Yeppers. The old adage about pigs/wrestling/mud applies here in soades.

[john70t]

From tinfoil John Hopkins...Macro-statistics indicate no increase in deaths due to Covid despite "bodies piled up in hospitals":

https://archive.md/ruV3q
When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.
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From tinfoil tinfoil CDC statistics...the normal flu deaths also just disappeared:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/miracle-23-americans-tested-positive-flu-last-week-compared-14657-cases-reported-last-year-time/
A Miracle! Only 23 Americans Tested Positive for Flu Last Week Compared to 14,657 Cases Reported Last Year at Same Time
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From tinfoil CDC...the PRC test can't even differentiate between Covid and the usual Influenza despite "Massive outbreaks of Mu strand" every night on the news. Oh and btw the way the inventor of the PRC said it was useless when used that way before he conveniently died:

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses.
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From big pharma itself...their own test control groups were nullified so that vax efficacy results would never be qualified (but that is moot now since we are on round number three at this point in time and headed towards a thrice daily needle regiment):

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/08/06/this-is-nuts-moderna-and-pfizer-intentionally-lost-the-clinical-trial-control-group-testing-vaccine-efficacy-and-safety/
Just so we are clear, the final FDA authorization and approval for the vaccines are based on the outcome of these trials. As noted in the example above, the control group was intentionally lost under the auspices of “the right thing to do”, so there is no way for the efficacy, effectiveness or safety of the vaccine itself to be measured.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

Some people lie on the internet for attention.

That maybe so but I suggest you don’t call me a liar.