being thick skinned.

[Steve Carlton]

I miss the times when everything wasn't so PC.

[Zeke]

@Steve Carlton, A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom. Sounds interesting. Just taking the 4 rules under consideration is a pretty big undertaking. I might be good for 2 out 4 with no. 3 coming along.

But thanks from me as well.

[berettafan]

Steve that books sounds interesting. Love the bits you posted from it.


This thread has surely shown how a beloved member of the community who brings nothing but fun and happiness to the group can fairly discuss his feelings and then a few folks can take that and turn it into a federal case.

I hope some can look back and see how things can go so quickly off the rails and lead us into DEI hell even with the best of intentions.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by speeder

Not familiar with that one, maybe you mean "Smokin' in the boy's room?"

Yeah, that would be it. I hated that song so much that I don't know the correct title.

@berettafan, It sorta did, huh? I think we can pin point when the tipping started.

[trials935]

And another good thread gets ruined with BS.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by gregpark

the aloha spirit is equally alive and well as long as you behave like a respectful guest.

Very true - and the same can be said of all foreign countries - to a degree.

I don't expect this to be of any great interest to anyone here but.......there is a fantastic 2008 surf movie called "Bustin' Down the Door" about the emergence of pro surfing in the 70's.

And in particular - following 2 Australian and 1 South African pro surfers, plus others from outside Hawaii, and the friction created when they arrived on the North Shore and rubbed the locals the wrong way with their brash behaviour.

Things worked out OK in the end but not without a huge amount of drama.

It's a historically accurate portrayal of how it all happened - very well done - and narrated by Edward Norton.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

It’s almost entirely divisive rhetoric pushed by the media and race baiters, that are ironically almost always white. Most of the sports teams that have changed their “offensive” Indian related names have actually been opposed by local Indian tribes. The entire thing is stupid, you’re naming a team of “warriors” after an Indian tribe, how is that not a compliment? Nobody is naming a team “the middle aged white guys”.

Look, I'm on your side and I grew up around more Native Americans than possibly anyone here...Minneapolis and the state of Minnesota has a huge population. You are 100% correct that most NA people do not mind that sports teams have names like, "Braves," etc. I suppose that within the NA population, like any group, there are people with varying views on things like politics and sports team names.

My dad was a defense lawyer on the Federal Wounded Knee trial back in the '70s, it was AIM, or the American Indian Movement. Names and norms change over time but I still know plenty American Indians today, none of them are pussies or thin skinned. God help the fool who actually offends them, though. They are a tough bunch.

It's not about PC or DEI, (BS terms if there ever were), it's about not using actual slurs to refer to people. That's what the OP was about and I stand by my first post on the thread.

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by Zeke

You CAN live with it just as I live with "boomer." Doesn't mean I don't get angry. In fact, most generalizations bother me.

I remember years ago some radio talk show idiot said, "Well, it's Spring time and time for all the contractors to come out and rip you off." Seriously, I'm not making that up. It may not be verbatim but really close. Close enough that I can't forget it 30 years later. He then went into a diatribe about checking for license and references, all of which I agree with, but not with the tone of voice that all contractors are ex felons.

I came close to driving to the station and setting him straight. But then I would have been a felon.

Thats interesting, I distinctly remember a comment you made about people in my Profession. Guess that generalization didnt bother you so much. Like yourself I havent forgotten it either.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by speeder

Look, I'm on your side and I grew up around more Native Americans than possibly anyone here...Minneapolis and the state of Minnesota has a huge population. You are 100% correct that most NA people do not mind that sports teams have names like, "Braves," etc. I suppose that within the NA population, like any group, there are people with varying views on things like politics and sports team names.

My dad was a defense lawyer on the Federal Wounded Knee trial back in the '70s, it was AIM, or the American Indian Movement. Names and norms change over time but I still know plenty American Indians today, none of them are pussies or thin skinned. God help the fool who actually offends them, though. They are a tough bunch.

It's not about PC or DEI, (BS terms if there ever were), it's about not using actual slurs to refer to people. That's what the OP was about and I stand by my first post on the thread.

I agree. Unfortunately some people have taken it upon themselves to add “Indian” to the defacto list of slurs. One of my best friends as a child was something like 50% Navajo (I think), enough that he looked the part and received a check from the government. It wasn’t something we thought anything about, except the SOB always had a great tan.

[flatbutt]

I'll tell you what nationality issue bugs me. Hyphenation. I get it that naturalized groups would refer to themselves as X-American with X being their birth nation. However, people who are born here and refer to themselves the same way bug me.

My ancestors are Sicilian, but I was born here. I am American with a family heritage from Sicily.

[cabmandone]

Does that help prevent tick bites?

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

I'll tell you what nationality issue bugs me. Hyphenation. I get it that naturalized groups would refer to themselves as X-American with X being their birth nation. However, people who are born here and refer to themselves the same way bug me.

My ancestors are Sicilian, but I was born here. I am American with a family heritage from Sicily.

Agreed, if you go far enough back nearly all of us would have a hyphen. Being an American doesn’t preclude your family heritage.

[masraum]

LOL! I'm German-Scots-English-American! (I suspect there's a few more in there, I'll have to double check)

[HobieMarty]

I am ChoctawScottishEnglishAmerican, but being born here, I am an American, just a blend of sorts, Ameriblend .

I have to say that I am glad the OP let things slide and continues to help his neighbor, we can all learn from his actions, myself included, help others and be better people. Forgive those who trespass against us.

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[gregpark]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

In the 9th grade I went to Wiapau middle school. I was 50% of the Haole attendees. Yep only one other white kid in the school.

Similar to my situation but reversed. I was born in Hawaii but grew up on the mainland and was one of very few dark skinned kids all through my white bread schools. Physical abuse was not a problem but kids can be cruel with words. I remember in high school this guy who had the hots for a girl who had the hots for me decided to make a racially derogatory remark to me in front of her and other kids. I said "that's right, my people ate your people". Everyone laughed and I won ha ha

[GH85Carrera]

I have done my family tree and it is on Ancestry.com

I am German- Italian- French- Irish- Scottish- British- Dutch and some other European nations. A pure bred mutt, and 100% American. Several great grandparents were in various land runs and they were homesteaders. Several fought in the Civil War, some on the south and some on the north. One was wounded in the arm at Pea Ridge in Arkansas and it made his arm useless.

I went back 10 generations on my family name and it took me to a prince in Great Brittan. So I am one of a few million of his descendants. You don't need to refer to my royal title.

[gregpark]

Quite impressive your highness! 😀
I'm a mutt too. Ancestry.com says I'm Korean, Polynesian, English, Norwegian, Scottish and Irish
Woof!

[speeder]

One of my friends in Minnesota did ancestry and found out that he is something like 2% Russian Jewish…he promptly put a Menorah in his window.

He’s a funny guy.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by gregpark

Similar to my situation but reversed. I was born in Hawaii but grew up on the mainland and was one of very few dark skinned kids all through my white bread schools. Physical abuse was not a problem but kids can be cruel with words. I remember in high school this guy who had the hots for a girl who had the hots for me decided to make a racially derogatory remark to me in front of her and other kids. I said "that's right, my people ate your people". Everyone laughed and I won ha ha

Lol, well played.

[Tim Hancock]

The farthest back I have traced my dad's side is to England in1585. This relative came here in 1633 on the ship "Recovery" sailing out of Weymouth England.

I have traced my mother's side back to 1180 in Osterdamme Germany . I have ship records when they came to the USA in 1834.

I have not messed around with this stuff for years..... I should re subscribe to to Ancestry and see what more info may be available.