being thick skinned.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by HobieMarty

I mean like "so and so is of Indian decent as being from India".

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A person from India is Indian. Their ethnic food is Indian food. Are you asking an honest question? You really don't know these things?

We are doomed in the modern world if this is the level of understanding of other cultures. Also, why would you refer to someone by their ethnicity in normal conversation? That's kind of weird.

[HobieMarty]

Originally Posted by speeder

A person from India is Indian. Their ethnic food is Indian food. Are you asking an honest question? You really don't know these things?



We are doomed in the modern world if this is the level of understanding of other cultures. Also, why would you refer to someone by their ethnicity in normal conversation? That's kind of weird.

You are really over thinking all of this. It was basically a rhetorical question. I was just basically making a comparison point that people seem to be offended by the word "Indian" when referring to native American people but not people from India. Why would anyone bring up someone's ethnicity in a conversation? Maybe when describing that person's culture to another person perhaps? I don't know, just guessing and throwing that out there, but whatever. Sorry to confuse.

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[masraum]

Originally Posted by speeder

By their name?? Crazy, I know...

That works well if you know their name and assuming you aren't talking about a group.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

One day I was walking along right in front of the administration building were the staff and the principal had their offices behind a large glass window. They had a clear view of a large Samoan boy just sucker punch me in the face. He was aiming for my nose, but I had just enough time to lower my head so he smacked me in the forehead. He laid me out flat on my back, and I saw stars. He would have crushed my nose. My forehead hurt his hand so he gave me a kick for hurting his hand. Not one teacher, or any of the administration came to check on me, or ask if I was OK. Lots of students walked past laughing at me.

I laid there for probably 20 seconds trying to fugue out what the heck just happened. I was dazed for sure.

All I had seen was a fist coming at my face, and after many years of fighting with my older brother, I knew how to duck. I was late to class as I went to the wrong classroom first, and the teacher wrote me a tardy note.

You have told this story many times on this forum, is it supposed to have some larger meaning? How exactly does it relate to the topic of the tread?

Being bullied as a child sucks...obviously they perceived you as weak and vulnerable, plus unprotected, (your older brother didn't stick up for you). I've heard that native Hawaiians are not crazy about certain white people, it's a thing. It's regrettable that happened to you and no one stuck up for you.

My problem with the repetitive telling of this particular story, in one isolated place on earth, is that it seems like you might be trying to advance some BS theory that it's actually white people who are the true victims of discrimination in this world. It's a popular refrain among a certain subset of people. Your story is only the story of one unfortunate kid being bullied for being an outsider, it happens 1M times a day in the world and it sucks every time.

I went to an inner city grade school for one year with my younger brother and sister. It was about 50% minority and 50% white. It was a tough school in a tough neighborhood. Call it luck but I never had any bad interactions that I remember with any black kids, maybe one huge female who was a bully. We did have a major bully problem at the school, however, it was a white family of brothers named Melina. There was a set of identical twins in my 6th grade named Ronny and Donny, they were not too bad but their younger brother, Kenny, was a sadistic psychopath and very large and strong for his age. I had not yet had my growth spurt and was small and weak.

You want to trade bully stories? Kenny Melina broke my arm so badly with a blind-side forearm smash to my shoulders from behind on the playground, (I put out my arm instinctively to break my fall on my face), that it needed 2 operations over the winter ad knocked me out of competitive hockey for a crucial year that I could never make up. It ended my hopes of playing hockey for a school and it was painful beyond belief. The same kid stabbed my little brother in the hand with a compass, (for absolutely no reason), the next year when I was gone. God only knows what damage he did to others, my sample size is my family.

It's too bad that you got socked in the forehead by some jerk but put it in perspective, maybe?

[speeder]

Originally Posted by HobieMarty

You are really over thinking all of this. It was basically a rhetorical question. I was just basically making a comparison point that people seem to be offended by the word "Indian" when referring to native American people but not people from India. Why would anyone bring up someone's ethnicity in a conversation? Maybe when describing that person's culture to another person perhaps? I don't know, just guessing and throwing that out there, but whatever. Sorry to confuse.

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Who is being offended when you speak? Maybe look into that, I dunno. I don't have that problem, ever.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by masraum

That works well if you know their name and assuming you aren't talking about a group.

If by group you mean ethnicity, maybe use their correct ethnicity? You guys confuse me with your strange questions.

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by speeder

Also, why would you refer to someone by their ethnicity in normal conversation? That's kind of weird.

If it’s a discriminatory factor.
Meaning it lets you identify the person from a group when the other party you are talking to isn’t familiar with all the people.

Or when “Sean” doesn’t give enough context.

The white guy.
The tall woman.
The Indian guy.
The huge Chinese kid.

[HobieMarty]

Originally Posted by speeder

Who is being offended when you speak? Maybe look into that, I dunno. I don't have that problem, ever.

Not when I speak, but people are obviously offended by the word "Indian" when referring to native American people otherwise names of sports teams and places wouldn't be changed. That is what I am talking about.
Again, sorry to confuse.

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[masraum]

Originally Posted by HobieMarty

Not when I speak, but people are obviously offended by the word "Indian" when referring to native American people otherwise names of sports teams and places wouldn't be changed. That is what I am talking about.
Again, sorry to confuse.

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The thing is that not everyone (not even a majority) are necessarily offended by the term. It may just be a vocal minority which is often the case these days.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Zeke

@GH85Carrera, que the song "Smoking in the Bathroom."

Not familiar with that one, maybe you mean "Smokin' in the boy's room?"

[HobieMarty]

Originally Posted by masraum

The thing is that not everyone (not even a majority) are necessarily offended by the term. It may just be a vocal minority which is often the case these days.

Exactly. I do not personally know anyone who is offended by the use of the word "Indian" when referring to native American people, in fact, it has already been stated that most Native Americans actually embrace the use of the word. Anyway...


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[sc_rufctr]

This thread has become a skin thickness test

[Steve Carlton]

One of the Four Agreements (from the book) is:

2. Don’t Take Anything Personally. Nothing other people do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality and dreams. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won't be the victim of needless suffering.

It's based on ancient Toltec wisdom. I liked the book. I know I'm thin-skinned, and don't do a great job following the four agreements, so there's that.

[sc_rufctr]

[gregpark]

All of my relatives in Hawaii were and are prejudiced big time against haoles. I have cousins who were badasses in their day and would look for an excuse to thump on a white dude. To this day the locals mostly hate hippies and military guys but any haole who shows even a tiny bit of disrespect better hope the wrong guy didn't see it hear it. That haole guy who threw the rock at the monk seal recently found that out the hard way. If i were him i wouldn't ever return to any island because his face was all over the news. On the other hand, the aloha spirit is equally alive and well as long as you behave like a respectful guest.

And the Indians? There are 2 kinds, the dots and the feathers. I told that to a friend of mine who is full blooded native American and added "and you're a feather". He laughed at the joke because he's thick skinned and has a sense of humor

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I guess they were commonly known as "n-word toes." I've never heard that.

I didn't get that you were answering my question about Brazil nuts.

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

One of the Four Agreements (from the book) is:

2. Don’t Take Anything Personally. Nothing other people do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality and dreams. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won't be the victim of needless suffering.

It's based on ancient Toltec wisdom. I liked the book. I know I'm thin-skinned, and don't do a great job following the four agreements, so there's that.

I must have missed it (and scrolled back up, but not every page). What book are you talking about?

[masraum]

Originally Posted by gregpark

All of my relatives in Hawaii were and are prejudiced big time against haoles. I have cousins who were badasses in their day and would look for an excuse to thump on a white dude. To this day the locals mostly hate hippies and military guys but any haole who shows even a tiny bit of disrespect better hope the wrong guy didn't see it hear it. That haole guy who threw the rock at the monk seal recently found that out the hard way. If i were him i wouldn't ever return to any island because his face was all over the news.

Excellent. I'm hoping that guy gets thoroughly nailed by the feds.

And the Indians? There are 2 kinds, the dots and the feathers. I told that to a friend of mine who is full blooded native American and added "and you're a feather". He laughed at the joke because he's thick skinned and has a sense of humor

sounds like exactly the kind of guy I'd like to know!

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by masraum

I must have missed it (and scrolled back up, but not every page). What book are you talking about?

It's a cool book.



1. Be Impeccable with Your Word

The first agreement addresses the power of the language we use – in spoken word as well as thought. “The word is a force; it is the power you have to express and communicate, to think and thereby to create the events in your life.” Ruiz warns us to be careful to use this force for good, rather than to destroy.

2. Don’t Take Anything Personally

Ruiz’s second agreement helps to guide us in our interactions with others: “Whatever people do, feel, think or say, don’t take it personally.” Ruiz explains that the way others speak and act are projections of their own reality rather than truly being about us. He invites us to let go of the pain, anger and envy we attach to others’ actions and reminds us that we can only be responsible for ourselves – not the choices or actions of others.

3. Don’t Make Assumptions

The third agreement calls us to examine the negative ways our assumptions affect our relationships. “We make the assumption that everyone sees life the way we do. We assume that others think the way we think, feel the way we feel, judge the way we judge,” but in reality our perspectives are as unique as our fingerprints. Ruiz proposes that accepting that our assumptions about others as truth creates misunderstandings, conflict and unnecessary drama in our lives. He encourages us to change this by having courage to ask questions and to communicate clearly.

4. Always Do Your Best

Ruiz’s final agreement calls us to put forth our very best effort into our language and relationships - into whatever it is that we do. Our best effort will vary from one day to the next; stepping into responsibility for our best (no more and no less) challenges us to live life intensely, offers us freedom from unrealistic standards and creates a step-by-step map towards healing in our journey. “If you do your best always, over and over again, you will become a master of transformation. Practice makes the master. By doing your best you become a master.”

[masraum]

Thanks, I'll check it out.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by HobieMarty

Exactly. I do not personally know anyone who is offended by the use of the word "Indian" when referring to native American people, in fact, it has already been stated that most Native Americans actually embrace the use of the word. Anyway...


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It’s almost entirely divisive rhetoric pushed by the media and race baiters, that are ironically almost always white. Most of the sports teams that have changed their “offensive” Indian related names have actually been opposed by local Indian tribes. The entire thing is stupid, you’re naming a team of “warriors” after an Indian tribe, how is that not a compliment? Nobody is naming a team “the middle aged white guys”.