Dusted by a Nissan!

[ZAMIRZ]

Originally posted by RarlyL8

ANYTHING is fast if you throw enough boost at it. Doing it on the cheap is where the respect comes in. At $100,000 this ain't no bargain. And it's ugly too.

In the U.S. it's only that much (and with someone who has a little brains and has the right connections it isn't anywhere near $100K) because it wasn't officially imported, hence Motorex having a monopoly and charging $40K on top of sticker to federalize the car. I have my sources and will import one within the next 5 years and it's only going to cost me about $5K over the price of the car (and since I'll be purchasing a used one, I'm only going to be out about $25K, IMHO that's a bargain)

It may be ugly, but it'll be pulling away from you real fast so that doesn't matter...trust me, you can't hang with a properly tuned Skyline on the highway, and they're loads more reliable than a 911.

[stuartj]

GT-R Skyline is an awesome car. There is a serious car collection here in Melbourne, which includes the Spyder sequnetially numbered afetr JD's Little Bastard) It includes the an f40, F50, the 90's Jag supercar a 959, many other Porsches and Feraris. The curator will tell you the early 90's 4wd Skyline racecar in the collection is far and away the most potent thing in the shed.

Just FYI, I was on a rally whcih included a drag strip 400mtr/1/4 mile run (proper lights and drag strip timing) Check these for times:

1.GTR- 11.60 sec
2. GTR 12.01 sec
3. GTR-12.22 sec
4. Porsche Turbo 12.47 sec

11.6 is very serious 400 mtrs, but the 996TT probaly suffered from driver error. Some bloke named Jim Richards.

stuart 87 carrera

[tangerine911e]

There was an article in a recent Aussie car magazine testing the R34 up against the current 996 turbo. 996 was stock, GTR had some minor intake mods. R34 was faster in most of the areas, but when it came down to overall track performance, the writer picked the 996 as the better racer (although here it's R34 A$110,000, 996TT A$360,000 !!!). The choice was made mainly as the 911 could've repeated the circuit test time and time again, but the GTR was a little wrung out - otherwise close performance all around. I'll see if I can find it and post a copy.

The R32s use to race in the touring car series here is Aust - very potent, very effective machines, beating all comers (mainly V8 Holdens and Fords).

http://www.fullboost.com.au/articles/reviews/cars/r32_review.html

I love my porsche, and given the choice it would always be 911s all the way - there is nothing else that gives the same feeling IMO, but you gotta respect the ability of these GTRs. A step above all the other imports we get over here.

Ash

[rick conrath]

Amir...don't wait too long. The direction California is headed, you will be running the skyline on batteries. I guess in the end I wouldn't pay more than $25K either.
Rick
'78 930

[Matt Holcomb]

Ash,

I'd be interested to read that 996TT vs. R34 article. Can you tell me which magazine it's in?

[Joe Bob]

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[ZAMIRZ]

Originally posted by rick conrath
Amir...don't wait too long. The direction California is headed, you will be running the skyline on batteries. I guess in the end I wouldn't pay more than $25K either.
Rick
'78 930

lol, I hear ya. Honestly, I wouldn't pay more than $25-35K for it myself, but it's good to be acquaintances with someone who has the required licensing to legalize any car for "limited" road use in the U.S. and furthermore, to have an open invitation to get this done to any car for my own personal use. In the future, funds permitting I'll probably add some Porsches that weren't officially imported to the states to the stable (like a 993 GT2).

IMHO the Skyline is heavily overrated in this country, every riceboy's dream is to have this car and in L.A. that kind of attention can be a problem. However, I've driven a few of them and have decided that I really need to get an R33 GT-R.

[jryerson]

It may be fast but it looks like any other Nissan Maxima or Altima, unless you really know cars most people wouldn't give it a second glance.

I highly doubt anything over 400hp in this car(not some factory Nissan race model) would be reliable for a 24hr race flat out, thats where the BS stops, something stock 930s have done many times, they are factory race cars out of the box.

[stuartj]

Some of you guys have intersting perspectives. You may not like them, they arent Porsches, but they are very quick and effective. The Skyline has raced in touring cars series all over the world. In Australia in the early 90's they dominted Group A racing so completely that the were banned, the formula scrapped and now we have a v8 formula to keep the bogans happy.

I shall never forget Mark Skaiffe starting Fredd Gibson's Winfeild Skyline, (on the old SHORT front straight at Winton, you AUS guys) having qualified 10th due to an off, pulling onto the grass after the flag and out accelerating the feild to turn 1, pulling back on in 3rd. On slicks, from a standing start. He was pinged for it, but what an awesome display of grunt and grip.

They have an solid racing pedigree.

stuart 87 carrera

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by SoCal911SC
Damn, Curt, this was one thread that was so far out there that I didn't think even you would be able to weave the Cayenne in!

Never underestimate Curt's love of sports utes...

[ZAMIRZ]

Originally posted by jryerson

I highly doubt anything over 400hp in this car(not some factory Nissan race model) would be reliable for a 24hr race flat out, thats where the BS stops, something stock 930s have done many times, they are factory race cars out of the box.

So the BS stops once you highly doubt anything? Please show me the many times stock 930s have completed flat-out 24 hour races (remember, factory racecars don't count as you've already mentioned). No offense, but your post wreaks of ignorance and arrogance. Porsches are great cars and I love mine just as much as the next guy but give credit where credit is due.

Seems as though myself, Stuart and a few others are the only ones who can appreciate a sports car from another marque.

[tangerine911e]

Matt,

It's a pretty average article - it's in one of the 'bling' mags (my wife want's an RX7 serries 6 TT!). My mind has gone blank - I'll chase it up tonight.

Cheers,

Ash

[moazam]

Originally posted by ZAMIRZ

Seems as though myself, Stuart and a few others are the only ones who can appreciate a sports car from another marque.

So anyways...Amir how is your Cooper S? I'm so tempted to get one of those cars eventually. Has it been trouble-free? Is the handling better than other cars you've tried (Porsche/350z, etc.)?

[MOMO3.2]

A guy that lives a few blocks from me has a Skyline. I have seen him working on it a few times. The other day, I was on a walk with my wife and he drove by. Damn...it sounded really, REALLY mean. It had a very deep growl and left no doubt that there was some serious HP coming from under the hood.

The Skyline is not my cup of tea. Never the less, they are potent and capable high performance cars. I also don't think it is fair to bash all Japanese sports cars. Toyota is putting forth a good effort in F1. Honda made its mark in F1 too. Both Nissan and Toyota (through American based teams) were more than competitive in IMSA. And, from what I have seen, Japan has some other pretty amazing "not for export" sports cars that are very nice indeed.

It is difficult to quantify the passion I feel for my Porsche and Porsches in general. Porsche is my favorite marque. The fact that Porsche is great, however, just does not motivate me to bash other marques.

Tolerance!

Mike

[ZAMIRZ]

moazam, so far so good with the MINI. It's a little low on power bone stock, but with an intake/exhaust/supercharger pulley the car has now come to life. Unfortunately, due to the greedy dealerships in CA you're still paying $3000 markup if you purchase locally. I went out of state and bought mine at sticker + $900 shipping and had a very pleasant purchase experience. Comparing it to my Porsche, it was quite a bit slower stock and is still slower than the 911 in the power department, but it's a well-geared car and loves to rev. Handling wise, the MINI isn't as engaging as the 911, it's a lot easier to just throw the car around and be very careless with power delivery......If I could only have 1 I'd have the Porsche, but IMHO the Cooper S is superior to all other's I test drove (including the 350Z, Subaru STi, Mitsu Lancer Evo, Volkswagen R32, Dodge turbo Neon). At first I was saying I"d rather have a 350Z, but after driving away from many a track model in the canyons I don't feel the same way.

[jryerson]

Gee where has a stock 930 competed? Group 4 class in Le Mans thats why they made the original 400 units for homologation.

Yes I can appreciate other makes that why I own a Ferrari also, and yes I am partial and biased to fine Euro cars not Rice!

[moazam]

Originally posted by ZAMIRZ
Unfortunately, due to the greedy dealerships in CA you're still paying $3000 markup if you purchase locally. I went out of state and bought mine at sticker + $900 shipping and had a very pleasant purchase experience.

Yeah, if I were to buy one, I'll buy out of state and actually keep it registered out of state for a while. I've seen them for MSRP in-stock, no haggling necessary, in Florida.

I test drove the 350z the other day and while I felt it had alot of power, the lack of visibility was very disconcerting and I kind of felt that the shifter actually vibrated a bit much at 60-100mph+. My 1986 911 does not do that at any speed.

Either way, I had wanted the 350z before, but after driving it, it just doesn't speak to me I guess. I've driven a regular Cooper and loved the handling. I'll have to try out a Cooper S one day.

[moazam]

Originally posted by jryerson
Yes I can appreciate other makes that why I own a Ferrari also, and yes I am partial and biased to fine Euro cars not Rice!

Sure, until they are all bought up or merged into American and Japanese companies.

Slightly off topic, and not directed at you jreyrson....but it's funny that many Porsche/Ferrari-philes are somewhat anti-BMW. Is it because it's more of a 'common' car?

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally posted by jryerson
Yes I can appreciate other makes that why I own a Ferrari also, and yes I am partial and biased to fine Euro cars not Rice! [/B]

Boy, this thread is sure full of some classic lines. Letting the flag of ignorance fly high tonight, aren't we boys?

[ZAMIRZ]

Originally posted by jryerson
Gee where has a stock 930 competed? Group 4 class in Le Mans thats why they made the original 400 units for homologation.

Yes I can appreciate other makes that why I own a Ferrari also, and yes I am partial and biased to fine Euro cars not Rice!

ROFLMAO, this is priceless. First of all, what part of Le Mans is "many races" and 2nd, the GT-R was built from '89 on, what '89+ 911 Turbo has competed on any level bone stock without modifications. Your arguments are invalid as Group 4 homologation doesn't even exist anymore. Referring to all japanese cars as rice, well I'll just let that speak for itself. I'm surprised someone who shows this much ignorance has gotten so far in life that he owns a Porsche and a Ferrari. Keep the "wisdom" flowing, I'm getting a good laugh.

EDIT: BTW, moazam if you get serious about a possible MINI purchase, feel free to PM me and I'll let you know all the options that are worthwhile.