Dusted by a Nissan! - Page 5

jryerson · 03-01-2004, 09:17 PM

This really is funny, sorry to hurt your feelings as I now know FF and FF2 (especially since the Skyline was in it)are your favorite movies of all time but some people just don't like Rice.

Since you are such a knowledge base for Porsche history I'll
try and explain it for you further, the 930 was raced and made for Group 4 in '74 for the World Sports Car Championship Series, this included such tracks as Le Mans, Daytona etc, the 930 was raced by both private and factory teams.

Axeman · 03-02-2004, 02:08 AM

I'm not a rice rocket fan by any means, but I happen to know that the guy driving that Skyline is a Japanese drifting champion, I think he might even be world champion. A couple of my friends went to Irwindale over the weekend to see the races (one of them is a true F1 fanatic/expert). They were expecting some stupid ricer cars, and he came back with a ton of pics/videos completely blown away. Those guys driving skills are closer to a WRC/F1 driver that you would think. They're doing slides with these cars at 100mph +, standing with the door open outside the car saluting the crowd. I couldn't believe it myself, but no matter you were driving it would have been really hard to beat that guy's skills. As far as the car it's ok, it's probably very fast, and in my opinion is not any uglier than a 996.

aus930 · 03-02-2004, 02:27 AM

gee the porsche snobs are out today.
ive owned both, skylines, 911 and now a 930.
they all do what there supposed to do well, but in standard form u cannot compare a 80s porsche to a 90s gtr, the gtr will wipe the floor with it in every department, except it doesnt have a german badge.

really hard to compare apples with apples when your talking 90s porsche compared to a 90s gtr, gtr is still less than half the price, but definately not half the car.
i dont care what badge a car has, if it does it does the job it was designed to do and does it well, then i respect it.

it too would pick a 996tt over a 2002 gtr, but only because im a bit of a snob too, yes its a better car, but not twice as good as the price indicates.

MMARSH · MMARSH's Garage

People don't you get it. This is a 911 Board. This is not a Car enthusiast board. You cannot like or appreciate any other make or model of car or you will be banned. How dare anyone say that a pathetic Nissan or god forbid a Mazda Miata be a fun car.

Sometimes the more dribble I read on this board, the more I wonder why I keep coming back. One other thing, Stock to me is how it came from the factory, If these Porsches are so perfect, Why is it that as soon as you take them to the track, you start changing things?

MFAFF · 03-02-2004, 03:42 AM

Its all horses for courses guys.

The GTR will, in most circumstances, be able to put up a good show for the majority of P-cars of a similar age.

What really sets the GTR apart is that it is only the starting point for a very serious race car. As opposed to the TTs being the end point of the range.

Aside from the factory supported racers there is a huge amount of tuning equipment avalaible for a relatively low investment.

The aim of course being part of the Midnight Express Club, the 200mph club who use the freeways near Tokyo as their race track...

Now I'm no expert but to get 200mph out of a car demands some serious power.

We are into Ruf/Gemballa etc territory here, a little beyond the GT2 and GT3 factory models.

All for a car that retails (outside the US) about 60% of a P-car new.

We do, as P-car drivers, have great cars which are great fun to drive but the intention of Porsche was to be the most useable and most driveable, not necessarily the very fastest.

Over here they are pretty well respected as being up there in the serious road car stakes.

I think callling htme 'ricers' only helps to belittle something which we know to be a serious which can out perfrom most Porsches.

On the 930 racers...I'm a little confised I was labouring under the impression that the 934 was the car homologated for Group 4and the 935 for Group 5.....

Alan Goettel · 03-02-2004, 04:01 AM

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Originally posted by jryerson
Gee where has a stock 930 competed? Group 4 class in Le Mans thats why they made the original 400 units for homologation.

Yes I can appreciate other makes that why I own a Ferrari also, and yes I am partial and biased to fine Euro cars not Rice!

Wow, pass the grey poupon you ignorant snob!

Alan Goettel · 03-02-2004, 04:06 AM

Damn, pass the grey poupon. The level of ignorance here is equal to most schoolboy ricer pages. Plus the snobery that can only come from being seriously underindowed.

thrown_hammer · 03-02-2004, 04:40 AM

Wow! What a thread. Like it or not the Skyline GT-R is a wicked serious car. My Brother-in-law is Japanese and owned a Skyline before moving to the US. There is a plce in Texas that imports the GT-R's legally. They did crash tests and everything. Can't find the website right now. But anyhoo....Don't underestimate the Skyline. It is defenitely NOT a big wing neon lite poser car. It will most positively give you a run if not take you for a ride. And just so we are clear.... GO PORSCHE YAY!!!

onewhippedpuppy · 03-02-2004, 04:56 AM

I've always thought that people that have come far enough in life to own a Ferrari are people of wealth and sophistication, true car afficianatos (sp?). Appearently I too am guilty of holding some un-true stereotypes. By the way, "biased to fine euro cars", hence the Jeep?

Silver GTR · 03-02-2004, 05:32 AM

Hi a friend of mine alerted me to this thread.The car in question is indeed an R34 GTR Skyline,Nissan rate these at 276 bhp although in Japan the big motor companies have a gentlemans agreement not to go above this level many did and gave performance figures below peak power outputs.This model will regularly hit 330 bhp on the rollers as standard.0-60 comes up in 4.6 secs.They are a modifiers dream with people in England outlaying as much as £50,000 (pounds) on the engine alone.They can be tuned to over 1000 bhp and in Japan are regularly used for drag and track events as well as in the uk.They are a serious track weapon the handling is superb, i noticed that one person commented on this thread that they drive themselves this is just not true they need a very competent driver to get the best from them.Owners in the UK go to regular meets/Trackdays to test their tuned cars and at an event called"Ten of the best" a Skyline recorded a 1/4 mile time of 9 secs taking the top prize (these cars have to be street legal) this event has been dominated by Skylines ever since it began a whole host of cars run including Vipers,Porsches,Supras,Evo's,Corvettes,TVR's and a host of other exotic cars.Thought you guys would like the info.

morganb · morganb's Garage

Some of these Nissans are heavily modied, there is one here in HK which is supposed to put out 800 HP, the owner spent over US100K getting this much out of it.
Apparently he is still not the fastest on the track.
My Dad is a Mitsubishi dealer and they have some seriuosly fact cars but he still loves my 88 Carrera. Its all in the overall feel of the car to the indvidual, not a straight line drag.

Leland Pate · 03-02-2004, 06:43 AM

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I'm not a rice rocket fan by any means, but I happen to know that the guy driving that Skyline is a Japanese drifting champion, I think he might even be world champion. A couple of my friends went to Irwindale over the weekend to see the races (one of them is a true F1 fanatic/expert). They were expecting some stupid ricer cars, and he came back with a ton of pics/videos completely blown away. Those guys driving skills are closer to a WRC/F1 driver that you would think. They're doing slides with these cars at 100mph +, standing with the door open outside the car saluting the crowd. I couldn't believe it myself, but no matter you were driving it would have been really hard to beat that guy's skills. As far as the car it's ok, it's probably very fast, and in my opinion is not any uglier than a 996.

I am not trying to fan the flames here but can someone please give me a quick run down of what exactly a "Drifting Championship" is?

It sounds an aweful lot like foreign WWF equivalent stuff to me.

Good times.

Jeff964 · 03-02-2004, 07:01 AM

Skyline GTR used by Japan Police Force

Jeff964 · 03-02-2004, 07:06 AM

Subaru WRX STI used by the Japan Police Force

motion · 03-02-2004, 07:39 AM

Nice gold wheels!

Joe Bob · Joe Bob's Garage

Drifting is one on one "racing" that involves style points for the most wheel spin and sliding around corners without crashing and taking out the opponent. Four wheel "drifts" are expected.

Saw a demo on SPEED.....kinda like that video of the run around the 'ring with lots of power showing but not neccesarily being a fast run...

jryerson · 03-02-2004, 08:23 AM

So some of you think your ignorant because you don't like Rice?
-freaking idiots, a Skyline came stock with 280 hp then its modded just like any other Accord or Eclipse ricemobile to make it faster, whats so great about that? Its still Rice, looks like rice and smells like it.

Rice is a joke and its on the owners driving them, from the Bling- Bling wheels and the drivers sitting so low you can only see the tops of their heads thru the door window bouncing around on their overly stiff way too lowered suspension, with their loud fart pipes sounding off down the road, If thats being a snob not liking it so be it!

Leland Pate · 03-02-2004, 08:51 AM

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Drifting is one on one "racing" that involves style points for the most wheel spin and sliding around corners without crashing and taking out the opponent. Four wheel "drifts" are expected.

Yup... that's what I was afraid of....

motion · 03-02-2004, 09:00 AM

I don't understand why people can't accept other people's interests. Believe me, 99% of the world doesn't understand your interests, and you're lucky they aren't beating down a path to your door to prove it.

1fastredsc · 03-02-2004, 09:10 AM

jryerson be carefull, there are very big differences between eclipses, designed to be a college kids gas efficient vehicle at a reasonable price while still being mildly pretty, and a skyline, designed to be a heavy stable highway/street machine with a very high potential motor. 2.0 L economy motors, and high reving 2.8L straight sixes share next to nothing in common. The 2.0L must be extensively modified to handle serious power on a reliable basis (this is generalized, i know that mistubishi made some rock solid 2.0 motors that can handle there share of boost), where as this straight six can take 700hp before needs to be opened. Not only that, but then you take into account the all wheel steering and AWD and now you've made a high powered heavy car that any guy can jump into and be very fast with little to no skill. You know, no that i think about it, this car sounds very familiar. Minus the all wheel steering, and add a better torque curve, and you have the concept behind the 996TT.