what protest is "OK"?

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by lendaddy
I think it's a dialect comprehension problem really, I don't speak bitter, oft-scorned,self-absorbed, middle-aged, single-chick

Edit: Yea almost forgot LOL, LOL, ROFLMAO..etc...etc...

Huh?

Are you feeling ok?

[skipdup]

Rodeo- You really don't remember the pres. warning us? Seriously??

- Skip

[Rodeo]

And if you ever wondered why I got so obsessed with that whole "Mission Accomplished" thing, arguing till it became senseless with Flintstone, the above is why.

A leader does not proclaim "mission accomplished" in the midst of a war, unless that leader knows nothing about what it will take to win the war. Telling the American people the mission was accomplished while giving them another tax cut and spewing nonsense about how well the effort was going was not leadership. It was salesmanship, and piss poor salesmanship at that. Its no wonder the populace got fed up, quickly and relatively easily.

That's why we are where we are today. Cindy Sheehan filled a vacuum. A vacuum of leadership.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by skipdup
Respectfully... What in the world are you talking about?

I don't remember the president saying any of these things. I do remember the president telling how hard the road ahead will be, etc...

You may be right about the war being lost. But it is shameful to me that we could loose such an important war based on the stomach of a soft citizenry.

What do you think will happen if you're right? Think all the terrorists in Iraq will just go home? Do you think we will all be safe if we just give up on Iraq? How many in Iraq do you suppose will be murdered for being sympathetic to the US?

- Skip

Skidup, you have to step back a second and reread that quote by Myers...give it some thought...think about the timing, think about what he's saying....

He's essentially saying if the U.S. "loses it's resolve" (in other words, does nothing), we'll lose. NO KIDDING.

But we'll also lose if Al Qaeda keeps focused on their whole strategy all along.....economic destruction.

And we'll also lose if we don't finally step up this damn thing and actually send men like we should've in the first place (remember, Bush I sent 400,000 people, 400,000 people!). Can you name one long-term war that was won? Vietnam, 15 years. Soviet Union/Afghanistan 10 years...financial ruin.

So what Myers is saying makes (1) no sense and is (2) stupid.

Think about it!

Edit: Myers appears to be essentially saying wars will be won only if no one protests (resolve) and only will be lost if people protest (no resolve). How much sense does that make? What kind of general thinks like that???

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by skipdup
Rodeo- You really don't remember the pres. warning us? Seriously??

- Skip

Could I find statements warning us, sure I could. But the overall message was nothing but upbeat. Did you read my quotes?

The proof is in the pudding, as they say. The American people are not weak. They have been oversold, and they have lost faith in this President's ability to achieve victory. So they are looking for alternatives, ones that do not involve counting on this administration.

[Rodeo]

oops ... double post

[fintstone]

Originally posted by stuartj
What a thing- for someone who no doubt considers himself a patriot- to say of a woman that has given her son in the service of her country.

Regardless of what you think of her politics, your lack of respect reflects very poorly on you.

She did not "give" her son...in fact, she did everything she could to keep her son from serving his country. Now she spends her days profiting from his sacrifice...and disrespecting it.

[cool_chick]

Question: how could a complete stranger "know" another complete stranger on a board is "bitter", "scorned", self-absorbed, all that garbage?

How does a complete stranger know about another complete stranger's relationship status, know about who they date or don't date?

Too funny.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by cool_chick
Question: how could a complete stranger "know" another complete stranger on a board is "bitter", "scorned", self-absorbed, all that garbage?

How does a complete stranger know about another complete stranger's relationship status, know about who they date or don't date?

Too funny.

Scary huh How did I do it?

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Scary huh Edit: how did I do it?

Not scary. Unrealistic.

Edit: Illogical, and obviously offbase. But that's ok.....

[stuartj]

Originally posted by fintstone
She did not "give" her son...in fact, she did everything she could to keep her son from serving his country. Now she spends her days profiting from his sacrifice...and disrespecting it.

Is her son any less dead?

"Profiting" from his sacrifice? You are beneath contempt.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Rodeo
And if you ever wondered why I got so obsessed with that whole "Mission Accomplished" thing, arguing till it became senseless with Flintstone, the above is why.

A leader does not proclaim "mission accomplished" in the midst of a war, unless that leader knows nothing about what it will take to win the war. Telling the American people the mission was accomplished while giving them another tax cut and spewing nonsense about how well the effort was going was not leadership. It was salesmanship, and piss poor salesmanship at that. Its no wonder the populace got fed up, quickly and relatively easily.

That's why we are where we are today. Cindy Sheehan filled a vacuum. A vacuum of leadership.

Surely you know that the President did not really proclaim "mission accomplished" on that ship.. why do you..and other liberals continue to misquote people? Does that somehow help your argument?

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by fintstone
Surely you know that the President did not really proclaim "mission accomplished" on that ship..

Last time Flint, then I'm done with you on this topic

[fintstone]

Originally posted by stuartj
Is her son any less dead?

"Profiting" from his sacrifice? You are beneath contempt.

That is the word we use for making money in the US...what do you call it down under? She is the one getting paid to insult his cause and minimize his sacrifice ...not me. Good try Stuart, but weak.
Actually, you and others who support her are the ones who are beneath contempt. You..and she would use his death to further your political goals which are diametrically opposed to his. You might as well use Martin Luther King's death to encourage a KKK rally.

[fintstone]

As I thought. You do know that he never said "Mission accomplished"...you just like to think he did....

[stuartj]

Originally posted by fintstone
That is the word we use for making money in the US...what do you call it down under? She is the one getting paid to insult his cause and minimize his sacrifice ...not me. Good try Stuart, but weak.
Actually, you and others who support her are the ones who are beneath contempt. You..and she would use his death to further your political goals which are diametrically opposed to his. You might as well use Martin Luther King's death to encourage a KKK rally.

But I dont support her. The Coalition is now obligated to stay in Iraq, no matter the cost. And the cost is high. We should have considered that beforehand, no?

You have an absloute right to disagree with her. Whats contemptible is your language in regard to her.

Why do you hate America so much, Fint? Its as if you'd have been happier in Germany in 1933.

[fintstone]

Lost me there Stu. I have no idea what you are talking about.

[skipdup]

Originally posted by Rodeo
Could I find statements warning us, sure I could. But the overall message was nothing but upbeat. Did you read my quotes?
...

Well gee Rodeo... I wonder why he was upbeat???

Yes, I read your quotes. And, I can find plenty of one-liners which would say the exact opposite... that would warn us of the tough road ahead. But, you already know that.

Did you read any of my questions? Have you considered what happens if we pull out of Iraq? What happens when Al Qaeda claims victory against America? What happens once a defeated America is realized?

- Skip

[2.7RACER]

I support everything my government chooses to do in my name. My government is 100% right about everything it does, so why would a little citizen like me need to disagree with anything it does?
Anyone that feels my government could possibly do anything that isn't in my best interest couldn't possibly have all the facts.
After all most of my fellow citizens helped put these fine people into office. Who am I to disagree with the majority?
I am so happy that my government has chosen to put me, my children and my grand children into debt for all of the wonderful people in Iraq.
There is no need to spend any further money on those folks in Louisiana cause they would just waste the money on girls and booze.
I gotta go now so I can watch Pat Roberts. I hear he may want us to assassinate one of those other guys getting in the way of our governments foriegn policy.

[Mulhollanddose]

Remember your little screed next time you pull the lever for a Democrat, and decide fascistically that you will rob me of my hard earned money, and many others, for a fantasy utopian paradise made of bureaucracy and large controlling government.

Remember that as you vote for liberalism you are voting for everything you despise (larger government=more corruption) and that you have the temerity to force your beliefs down my throat (via confiscatory taxation).

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

Thomas Jefferson