Oh the joys of depression - Page 4

Mulhollanddose · 03-29-2006, 10:12 PM

I am sure the pharmaceutical companies and the money-pit of psychologists and psychiatrists agree with some of the expressed opinions here...Good for them that they never cure the patient.

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You see, there are always simple answers to complex problems and those simple answers are always wrong.

wish i'd quoted the whole thing, but one of the most insightful posts i've read on the board in quite some time. very timely and thoughtful..thanks, bob.

ryan

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I am sure the pharmaceutical companies and the money-pit of psychologists and psychiatrists agree with some of the expressed opinions here...Good for them that they never cure the patient.

wow..'no good deed goes unpunished' by some..
ryan

Moneyguy1 · 03-29-2006, 10:28 PM

....Good for them that they never cure the patient....

Thank you for your insight.

Who were affected by my deceased wife's struggle? One husband, two teen aged daughters, a sister, a father and others that were friends and supporters. I pray you never have to live through something like this that lasted nearly twenty years. There are ALWAYS other victims and once again, simplistic comments are made about very complex situations, but that is all some can offer.

I feel sad for those with a negative and authoritarian attitude. They help no one.

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Tried them, found truth in Jesus, found emptiness in the rest...That is what that nagging emptiness is within you Todd, your rejection of what you know is truth, but your mind shuts you off from...

You didn't learn much in AA, did you? Or did you miss the day when they talked about taking other people's inventory?

You have *no* idea who I am or what i've been through. If Christianity works for you (although i have my doubts given your words here), then that's great. But to hold it out as the only way is about as narrow minded as it gets. And to even begin to think that you have a clue about me and my inventory...well, I suggest you might want to take a meeting.

Don Ro · 03-29-2006, 10:52 PM

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You didn't learn much in AA, did you? Or did you miss the day when they talked about taking other people's inventory?

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Careful there, Mul.
Jesus may ask you to engage in a little self-forgiveness - and we all know how painful that can be.

Mulhollanddose · 03-29-2006, 10:55 PM

How sad...What a shame.

I expressed my opinion and significant experience. I developed my opinion based on my experience. My way works, whether you like it or not...It is also the way that has worked for 10s of thousands of alcoholics and drug addicts that could not break the cycle of addiction and depression, came to God, and were relieved of both. I have seen the story play out 100s of times, personally...Those that reject God always have this nagging feeling, continue suffering from depression, or go back out; but it is those who accept a God concept (one of your understanding) and practice the steps as outlined in the Big-Book that truly get happy, joyous and free...my experience demonstrates convincingingly that a well-defined God concept yields true freedom from addiction and the oft accompanying depression.

I took my experience a step further than AA prescribes. I accepted the God of Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob's understanding, or the God that inspired them; the philosophy inextricably woven throughout Alcoholics Anonymous...I accepted THEIR God...I entered AA as a practical atheist, a sometime buddhist and a weekend Hinduist...I was a drug addict, and alcoholic, a depressive and a rage-aholic...My burden was lifted, my eyes were open, my depression and anger replaced with love, and my faith aligned with the God of Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob (Conservative Christians).

I don't care if you like it or not, for it is truth...I know this makes some of you uncomfortable...tough *****.

Mulhollanddose · 03-29-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by nostatic
You didn't learn much in AA, did you? Or did you miss the day when they talked about taking other people's inventory?

You have *no* idea who I am or what i've been through. If Christianity works for you (although i have my doubts given your words here), then that's great. But to hold it out as the only way is about as narrow minded as it gets. And to even begin to think that you have a clue about me and my inventory...well, I suggest you might want to take a meeting.

I wasn't taking your inventory...Did I touch a nerve?

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I wasn't taking your inventory...Did I touch a nerve?

nope...just shows that you didn't really *get* some of what AA was teaching.

Don Ro · 03-29-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
I am sure ... the money-pit of psychologists and psychiatrists agree with some of the expressed opinions here...Good for them that they never cure the patient.

I can agree...sorta.
There are good truck drivers/bad truck drivers.
Good neurosurgeons/bad neurosurgeons.
Good psych folks/bad psych folks...etc.

My experience is that Western psychology does not enter the realm of Beingness.
It can sometimes create yet another psych structure to contend with/cope with a problematic psych structure.
To me, it's like painting over rust. It can be just more mental content.

What worked for me was a hybrid pathwork of Western psychology (the dynamic ground of ego) and the Sacred Psychologies (Beingness).
Individuation on the level of Being is different and more profound than individuation of the level of ego; the former is the natural development of the latter. The life of ego is the childhood of humanity and the life of Being is its maturity.

But seeing how enlightenment doesn't care how you get there, whatever does it for anyone is fine w/me.

Just don't come onto my private property, 'a knockin' on my door, crash into my mood, invade my privacy/Peace and expect an audience as you pontificate it.

Mulhollanddose · 03-29-2006, 11:40 PM

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But seeing how enlightenment doesn't care how you get there, whatever does it for anyone is fine w/me.

We are in agreement...I did not get sober to go to Heaven, I got sober to improve my temporal existence. None of us are absolutely sure what lies in the hereafter, I just happened upon a path that improves your temporal existence and assures eternity in Heaven...Even if I am proven wrong (which I highly doubt) and Christianity is a sham, I have received what I was looking for, a better life, a life filled with happiness and joy, a path that continues to impress me and confirm that indeed Christ is God.

Amen

I do not offer this, and my opinion, to offend...My most sincere hope is that you all, even those who hate me the most here, find peace and happiness...This is my heartfelt wish, verily.

Mulhollanddose · 03-29-2006, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by nostatic
nope...just shows that you didn't really *get* some of what AA was teaching.

I wish I could show you how my life has changed, it really is unrecognizable from what it was...Extraordinary really.

Quit doing my inventory.

I love you Todd. In fact it really is a fascinating experience, as much as I want to hate several of you libs here, my soul won't allow it...I may get resentful at those who brainwash you, but I really would give you the shirt off my back if the chance required.

This experience that I have is not me, but Christ in me...I am a violent POS, drug addict, depressive, fear filled rager, left to my own devices...The change is nothing less than miraculous.

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two of my favorites:

fake it until you make it

take what works and leave the rest

beyond that, I'm a fan of Pema Chodron's writings...

stevepaa · 03-30-2006, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
My most sincere hope is that you all, even those who hate me the most here, find peace and happiness...This is my heartfelt wish, verily.

Nul, I would not hesitate to say that no one hates you. Some of your posts are downright insulting, but I would say that many of us old farts went through a period where we knew everything also. With age comes the realization that we know less than we thought and most of us are open to that.

Mulhollanddose · 03-30-2006, 12:08 AM

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Nul, I would not hesitate to say that no one hates you. Some of your posts are downright insulting, but I would say that many of us old farts went through a period where we knew everything also. With age comes the realization that we know less than we thought and most of us are open to that.

Steve, first off it is "Maul", and secondly I know that you aren't one of those that hate me...those that do are easily recognizable...I would still give them the shirt off my back.

I certainly know I know little, but I know what I know...I know politics. I know addiction. I know depression. I know Jesus.

Don Ro · 03-30-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by nostatic
beyond that, I'm a fan of Pema Chodron's writings...

"When Things Fall Apart" - - Pema Chodron

One of the many books I landed on when I went to the bookstore to see what would jump out at me many years ago.
That book relaxed me many a night...it sits on my night stand now.
She has tremendous power, that funny-looking, charming 'lil humble lady, eh?

Don Ro · 03-30-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
I wish I could show you how my life has changed, it really is unrecognizable from what it was...Extraordinary really.

I am a violent POS, drug addict, depressive, fear filled rager, left to my own devices...The change is nothing less than miraculous.

We don't feel repressed, even if we sense that we are classic examples of self-alienation; the mystified
repressed who are not only robbed of our deepest freedom, but are robbed of our awareness of that robbery
and then left with the illusion that we benefit from it.

Lots of miracles out there...your surrender and salvation is clearly one of them, Mul.

RoninLB · 03-30-2006, 04:48 AM

How Therapists Diagnose: seeing through the psychiatric eye
Dr. Bruce Hamstra
ISBN-0-312-13087-2

anyone having anything to do with a shrink or other therapy should read this book.

mudman · 03-30-2006, 04:49 AM

Damn, wish I had time to post today.
Mul, et al; Please respect that your faith(s) will never be a part of my life. I thank you sincerely for your wanting to help, but please remember that there is more than one way to be saved, and as far as I'm concerned any religion that says it is the only way is a seriously flawed belief. My religion/philosophies/beliefs share little with convention, and were not learned by going to a big church or reading a story book. If I really saw any hope in the idea that God could save me and pull me from the darkness that is my state, I would be on my knees praying right now.
-Jeremy

mudman · 03-30-2006, 04:53 AM

Ronin, I'm hitting the library this afternoon, thanks!

Herbal remedies are good, I'm a man of the Earth, but I know the limitations, and I wouldn't rely on a plant to consistently keep me out of this.
-Jeremy