The Lies That Led To War

[lendaddy]

Iraq was never revenge for 9/11 and WMD's and terrorists were only players in the decision.

After 9/11 Bush felt (and correctly in my opinion) that America's pimp hand had gone limp. That the bastards in this world didn't respect us or our word any longer. The most glaring example of this was Iraq and how they had thumbed their nose at us and the UN resolutions since the gulf war. Invading Iraq (after one last chance to abide 1441) was to be a signal to the world that our pimp hand was once again strong and that when we threaten force we damn well mean it.

Unfortunately it appears it(war in Iraq) may only serve to prove how soft we really have become, thereby inviting bold attacks.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Racerbvd
Iraq was also funding terrorist. Now enjoy your deserters

What terrorists in America were funded by Iraq? By the way, the only chicken*****s I see out here are those supporting the Bush'ist regime, and the Bush'ists themselves.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Iraq was never revenge for 9/11 and WMD's and terrorists were only players in the decision.

After 9/11 Bush felt (and correctly in my opinion) that America's pimp hand had gone limp. That the bastards in this world didn't respect us or our word any longer. The most glaring example of this was Iraq and how they had thumbed their nose at us and the UN resolutions since the gulf war. Invading Iraq (after one last chance to abide 1441) was to be a signal to the world that our pimp hand was once again strong and that when we threaten force we damn well mean it.

Unfortunately it appears it(war in Iraq) may only serve to prove how soft we really have become, thereby inviting bold attacks.

All of the above is one of the silliest explanations apologizing for the bully-boy Bush II that I've seen in a long time. Do you rinse your mouth out after you've licked Bush II's boots?

[Rearden]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Iraq was never revenge for 9/11 and WMD's and terrorists were only players in the decision.

After 9/11 Bush felt (and correctly in my opinion) that America's pimp hand had gone limp. That the bastards in this world didn't respect us or our word any longer. The most glaring example of this was Iraq and how they had thumbed their nose at us and the UN resolutions since the gulf war. Invading Iraq (after one last chance to abide 1441) was to be a signal to the world that our pimp hand was once again strong and that when we threaten force we damn well mean it.

Unfortunately it appears it(war in Iraq) may only serve to prove how soft we really have become, thereby inviting bold attacks.

+1 Right on, daddy.

Sadly, we're no longer John Wayne. We've become Alan Alda.

[kang]

Originally posted by Racerbvd
Why is caring about parents, widows and orphans of killed soldiers not considered rooting for America?

When you use them to push your socialist agenda like cindy is

Why is exposing this administration not considered rooting for America?

What have you exposed?? Nothing,

Why is thinking that a political solution is what is needed, not a military one, not rooting for America?


How many years do you let them get away with not following the cease fire they signed, how close do you let them get to building a nuke?? We know they had WMD, we sold them to them, they were to prove they were destroyed, they refused too. We now also know that france, Russia & Germany were buying oil illegally.

1) Cindy’s socialist agenda? What the heck are you talking about? Have you been watching too much Fox news? Besides, in the context of this thread, Cindy was never mentioned, nor was any socialist agenda. There was simply a statement of support for the parents, widows and orphans, and you called the person who posted it a “liberal scumbag.”

2) Again, I never meant to expose anything. I’ll leave that to the experts, those in the know, and those that can investigate these things. That’s why we have freedom of the press. Supporting this is supporting America. In a big way, too. Again, you considered the person who supported freedom of the press a “liberal scumbag.”

3) My point, on thinking that a political solution is what is needed, is where we should go from here, not how or why we got into the war. While I disagree with your statement about how we got into the war, that is not what this point is about. It’s about the way forward from here. It would be irresponsible not to consider other options besides “stay the course.” Again, this is supporting America, in that it is trying to find a better future for her. But again, this was the message of a “liberal scumbag” in your mind.

[DanielDudley]

Who was that Nazi chick looking in the telescope ? Only kidding, I know she's just a facist.

The Democrats may be pansys, but they are not misinformed. Saddam rolled over and allowed the inspections, The UN wouldn't sanction the war, our allies who had the same intelligence information as the US wouldn't sanction the war, and the US flat out made up intelligence to justify the war. Going in to get the bad guy was what we said after no WMDs were found because there were none, just as Ritter said and was smeared for .

And none of this really addresses the gross incompetancy of how the war has been conducted, the wholesale destruction of a functioning culture, or the fact that no matter what we do now, Iraq is no longer a functioning entity, and that world opinion of the US is at an all time low, while those willing to oppose us have at the least quadrupled. Do you really think you can drop a bomb on someones relatives and they will welcome you in as liberators ? We have done more to create havoc and disorder in the middle east than Saddam at his worst. No doubt more Iraqis have suffered from our presence and the lack of order we created.

The saddest part is that this administration obviously has no real plan except to look busy. People, and I mean good citizens of Iraq, are fleeing the country in droves, leaving it to our newly federated enemys, the ones we didn't have six years ago. The US public has seen this horror show for way too long, and yet some still want to say ''Wait it just keeps on getting better !". Yeah, these colors don't run. They just dribble off your chin. You have no idea what it would take to win in the middle east, and cheap shots aren't fooling anybody. Worst of all you believe what you say. How sad.

[Racerbvd]

Originally posted by on-ramp
so are 1/2 the countries on the planet. you gonna invade those too?

If they are trying to get WMDs & threaten us like Sadam did.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Racerbvd
If they are trying to get WMDs & threaten us like Sadam did.

When did the threat occur? The Iraqi military at its' peak of capability couldn't win a war against another country located immediately ajacent to Iraq which had a weak government run by idiotic clerics.

The Iraqi government never made a threat* against America.


*Threat - an action by one government against another which must have the method with which to carry the threat to a conclusion in order to be valid. Hundreds of countries have issued verbal threats against America, the sum total reaction has almost always been, "who cares". Only a schoolyard bully-boy gives credibility to a hollow, meaningless threat.

[speeder]

DanielDudley, Excellent post. I've given up trying to teach pigs to sing around here, they've worn me down with their incredible stamina and won by default.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by speeder
DanielDudley, Excellent post. I've given up trying to teach pigs to sing around here, they've worn me down with their incredible stamina and won by default.

Yeah, they're now dancing in the blood of dead GI's and Iraqi's; a right regular war dance it seems.

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally posted by kang
A dead horse? The Iraq war is quite likely the most egregious crime the US has inflicted on the world, and no one is taking the fall.

Oh wait, the Monica BJ was the worst crime. After all, he got impeached for it, and W has not.

Byron, ...uh...a little looney on the "W was right" assertion.

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally posted by DanielDudley
Who was that Nazi chick looking in the telescope ? Only kidding, I know she's just a facist.

The Democrats may be pansys, but they are not misinformed. Saddam rolled over and allowed the inspections, The UN wouldn't sanction the war, our allies who had the same intelligence information as the US wouldn't sanction the war, and the US flat out made up intelligence to justify the war. Going in to get the bad guy was what we said after no WMDs were found because there were none, just as Ritter said and was smeared for .

And none of this really addresses the gross incompetancy of how the war has been conducted, the wholesale destruction of a functioning culture, or the fact that no matter what we do now, Iraq is no longer a functioning entity, and that world opinion of the US is at an all time low, while those willing to oppose us have at the least quadrupled. Do you really think you can drop a bomb on someones relatives and they will welcome you in as liberators ? We have done more to create havoc and disorder in the middle east than Saddam at his worst. No doubt more Iraqis have suffered from our presence and the lack of order we created.

The saddest part is that this administration obviously has no real plan except to look busy. People, and I mean good citizens of Iraq, are fleeing the country in droves, leaving it to our newly federated enemys, the ones we didn't have six years ago. The US public has seen this horror show for way too long, and yet some still want to say ''Wait it just keeps on getting better !". Yeah, these colors don't run. They just dribble off your chin. You have no idea what it would take to win in the middle east, and cheap shots aren't fooling anybody. Worst of all you believe what you say. How sad.

Unfortunatley horribly true. Kudos to DanielDudley whoever you are. Better articulated than I've heard it stated.

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally posted by fastpat
When did the threat occur? The Iraqi military at its' peak of capability couldn't win a war against another country located immediately ajacent to Iraq which had a weak government run by idiotic clerics.

The Iraqi government never made a threat* against America.


*Threat - an action by one government against another which must have the method with which to carry the threat to a conclusion in order to be valid. Hundreds of countries have issued verbal threats against America, the sum total reaction has almost always been, "who cares". Only a schoolyard bully-boy gives credibility to a hollow, meaningless threat.

Pat, my apologies for past accustation of "nuttiness". I couldn't agree more with you on this one.

[on-ramp]

Originally posted by speeder
DanielDudley, Excellent post. I've given up trying to teach pigs to sing around here, they've worn me down with their incredible stamina and won by default.

+1. nobody has taken the fall for the catastrophe that is Iraq because there is no higher power to hold those accountable.

[hytem]

There are lies--about sex--nobody wants to talk about their sex life---and nobody should have to. It's a free country.

And then there are real lies--you know, ones that affect policy and the entire country.
Figure out for yourself what real lies are--and forget about your trivial biases.

Just think, 20+ mpg trucks and SUVs--and the Middle East would be one big f....ing pile of sand. All of this just for oil. That's what sucks.

[Rearden]

Originally posted by hytem
There are lies--about sex--nobody wants to talk about their sex life---and nobody should have to.

Unless you're being sued for sexual harassment and you are giving a deposition, sworn to tell the truth.

[kang]

Originally posted by DanielDudley
Who was that Nazi chick looking in the telescope ? Only kidding, I know she's just a facist.

The Democrats may be pansys, but they are not misinformed. Saddam rolled over and allowed the inspections, The UN wouldn't sanction the war, our allies who had the same intelligence information as the US wouldn't sanction the war, and the US flat out made up intelligence to justify the war. Going in to get the bad guy was what we said after no WMDs were found because there were none, just as Ritter said and was smeared for .

And none of this really addresses the gross incompetancy of how the war has been conducted, the wholesale destruction of a functioning culture, or the fact that no matter what we do now, Iraq is no longer a functioning entity, and that world opinion of the US is at an all time low, while those willing to oppose us have at the least quadrupled. Do you really think you can drop a bomb on someones relatives and they will welcome you in as liberators ? We have done more to create havoc and disorder in the middle east than Saddam at his worst. No doubt more Iraqis have suffered from our presence and the lack of order we created.

The saddest part is that this administration obviously has no real plan except to look busy. People, and I mean good citizens of Iraq, are fleeing the country in droves, leaving it to our newly federated enemys, the ones we didn't have six years ago. The US public has seen this horror show for way too long, and yet some still want to say ''Wait it just keeps on getting better !". Yeah, these colors don't run. They just dribble off your chin. You have no idea what it would take to win in the middle east, and cheap shots aren't fooling anybody. Worst of all you believe what you say. How sad.

This is an excellent post. I agree with all of it, except the “Democrats are pansys part.”

You don’t see any Democrats complaining about the war in Afghanistan, do you? Saying pull our troops out? Saying the war was wrong? No, you see Democrats saying we need to send more troops, not only to continue to fight the Taliban, but in particular to find Bin Laden. Not nearly enough has been done in this war.

No, Democrats are not pansys. There is a time to fight and a time for a political solution. Afghanistan is clearly a time to fight.

[Jim Richards]

+1

B2 + cardre must have ADD.

[thrown_hammer]

Ductile failure is a sure sign of weakness.

[Jim Richards]

Somebody hand me the duct tape.