More Civil Right Abuses by Outlaw Cops..

on-ramp · 12:47 PM

Sometimes you just have a bad day. Witnesses said no one tried to calm the woman down, give her a chance. She didn't deserve to lose her life over this..

Next time it could be YOU, your wife, or a loved one just having an off day... this is crazy. more civil right abuses.
****** cops just have no restraint these days, so fast with the tasers, and the beatings.

this was a 45 year old woman, for Christ's sakes, witnesses said they threw her down and violently threw
her arm back, almost breaking it.
3 children no longer have a mother, they are asking why mommy isn't coming home....

Welcome to the new Police state. taxpayers = No Rights.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/05/airport.death/index.html

on-ramp · 10-05-2007, 12:49 PM

" The current administration has whipped up the "terrorist" business so now everyone is afraid. Terrorst are everywhere!!! Police today look like military hit squads. When a traffic light goes out, the policeman directing traffic looks like he's going into combat. I feel that this is all ment to scare and intimidate you into submission. Next, any policeman can come up and take ANYONE of us out of a line and, well, it sort of sounds and looks like Nazi Germany, SS "

on-ramp · 10-05-2007, 12:50 PM

"Since when does waving one's arms and shouting profanities warrant being beaten or killed by the police? Since 9-11. We are a police state. For pete's sake! She's a 45-year old woman, not a terrorist. I'm seriously frightened that there are actually people in this country that think the police gave her what she deserved. "

on-ramp · 10-05-2007, 12:52 PM

one last quote:

"I got astonished, shocked and awfully sad when I read about Mrs Gotbaum's death.
In France, in Italy and I think all over Europe if a woman is "yelling and screaming and running around" we call for an ambulance, a doctor, maybe even a psychologist. Here, the Police arrest and handcuff people other than irate moms, criminals for example.
Then I remembered what happened to the little girl handcuffed and brought to the police station some time ago somewhere in the States because she refused to obey her teacher and began punching her and jumping around the classroom, and again I thought that if something of this kind had occurred in Europe we would have offered the girl sweets and chocolate instead, to calm her down.
The crucial point that marks the difference between such contrasting approaches in coping with disorderly conduct is that, while it's very easy to arrest, handcuff and put somebody in jail since no personal involvement is needed, it's a little bit harder and requires compassion and sensitivity to treat her/him as a human being deserving of attention and care, particularly if the person in question is suffering, having emotional reactions, or is scared.
It seems that in the States the easy way is the preferred one. Yet Mrs Gotbaum would still be alive if her case had been addressed in the soft European style. Her story is testament to the fact that blindly following established policy may result in sorrow and death. Mrs Gotbaums case should be a lesson for all who believe that handcuffs and cells can solve any problem"

rammstein · 10-05-2007, 12:52 PM

At what point did the police kill her?

NICKG · 10-05-2007, 12:54 PM

when they attacked her...she died in the cell

on-ramp · 10-05-2007, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rammstein

At what point did the police kill her?

it is their responsibility to ensure her safety while in their custody. they failed to do that. their failure to protect a distraught woman lead to her death.

rammstein · 10-05-2007, 12:56 PM

If she had been placed in a straight-jacket, would it be excessive force?

sammyg2 · 10-05-2007, 12:56 PM

Fuch, doesn't the truth mean anything to you?
She was drunk. She had plans to go into rehab.
She freaked out.
Her hussband described her as suicidal.
She was acting like a freaking nut, and was throwing objects at other people.
And..... here's the kicker ..... She STRANGLED HERSELF!
the cops didn't do it. She did it. She was trying to get out of the handcuffs and she STRANGLED HERSELF.

How can you possibly twist that around so badly?
Is your world really that strange?

on-ramp · 10-05-2007, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Fuch, doesn't the truth mean anything to you?
She was drunk. She had plans to go into rehab.
She freaked out.
Her hussband described her as suicidal.
She was acting like a freaking nut, and was throwing objects at other people.
And..... here's the kicker ..... She STRANGLED HERSELF!
the cops didn't do it. She did it. She was trying to get out of the handcuffs and she STRANGLED HERSELF.

How can you possibly twist that around so badly?
Is your world really that strange?

you're an idiot. .. in this situation, if you are a compassionate human being, you call an AMBULANCE, not the Nazi police.

rammstein · 10-05-2007, 12:59 PM

If the PDA she threw hit a toddler in the eye and blinded the toddler, would the police who didn't tackle her fast enough be responsible?

MRM · 10-05-2007, 01:00 PM

It won't be long before some on this board will chime in with some variation of she had it coming or she got what she deserved. The police have a special relationship where they have a duty to protect the public, including the people they arrest, even at risk to themselves. Some aparently have forgotten that and are willing to deal leathally with anyone who is a hypothetical threat to them.

Anyone here ever read the Orwell short story "The Elephant"? Seems appropriate here.

rammstein · 10-05-2007, 01:02 PM

I will add this- there are LOTS of cases out there of legitimately abusive behavior by police. Some downright appalling.

From what I've read here, I don't see it in this case.

rammstein · 10-05-2007, 01:04 PM

She certainly did not DESERVE to die. Its really pretty sad that she was in such a state of mind that a missed flight prompted a psychotic episode. What a shame for her family.

The Gaijin · 10-05-2007, 01:04 PM

If.. If Auntie had balls she'd be Uncle. This is big news in New York, as all can imagine.

Cops have training and a mindset to arrest criminals and treat them as such. This poor woman was some kind of emotional wreck and should have never been left alone in a cell.

Very sad that of all the police on duty, none could be assigned to watch over her.

Jeff Higgins · 10-05-2007, 01:10 PM

I'm not sure what the cops could have, or should have done differently. It sounds like they did their best to difuse what appeared to be a violent and possibly escalating situation. They had a responsibility to others in the airport as well, to protect them from her. They did what was necessary to restrain her. She killed herself while alone in a cell. The good news is, she did no harm to anyone else. The cops did their job in that respect. It's a pretty good rule of thumb to shut up, calm down, and do what they say when they show up. They gave her every chance to do that. It's tragic what happened to her, but in this case, she is entirely to blame, not the cops.

masraum · 10-05-2007, 01:11 PM

I'm a compassionate person, but I'm not seeing the problem here. It was certainly a very unfortunate incident, very unfortunate, but there are probably a 100 different ways it could have gone, and in 75 of them either the woman, the cops, or innocent bystanders could have been injured or killed.

I read the article, and ready what you posted. What you posted reminds me of the sensation stuff that I see or read in the news that is from someone trying to put a spin on things.

I'd rate your view as unreasonable and one-sided.

Dan in Pasadena · Dan in Pasadena's Garage

A LOT of emotion on this subject..merited, I agree, A tragedy, a woman, wife, mother died. But from everything I've read, she DID pitch a fit and did NOT respond to requests to calm down. She was not tazed and was not sprayed. Sounds a lot like a psychotic episode or something. No question a true tragedy BUT I don't think the police did anyrthing "wrong" per se.

I am not usually a defender of police. I have seen too many too-much-testosterone jackasses with badges incidents to defend them all. But from the available information, it sounds like they acted responsibly and this just went south from beginning to end. Is there NEVER a circumstance when a wigged-out person dies that it is NOT the fault of the police? People do die you know? And its not always "bad" people in fully understandable circumstances. If it turns out there is another aspect to the police behavior I will be the first one to say they should be dealt with as criminals....but this one looks like a simple, regrettable, tragic accidental death at this time.

craigster59 · craigster59's Garage

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Originally Posted by on-ramp

Sometimes you just have a bad day.
Next time it could be YOU, your wife, or a loved one just having an off day...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/05/airport.death/index.html

I might be going out on a limb here, but I seriously doubt that on an "off day" my Wife, myself or a loved one would be "screaming at the top of our lungs,...throwing a PDA...." and then asphyxiating ourselves while trying to get out of handcuffs. But that's just me..things might be a tad different in your little world..

The Gaijin · 10-05-2007, 01:24 PM

It is not the being arrested, removed from the gate and dragged off to the cell. It is the lack of oversight from then on. You have a basket case of a woman - not a blood, a cripp or terrorist.