Teachers with Guns - Page 3

Tim Walsh · Tim Walsh's Garage

Just as a note, there are resource officers in some(most?) schools here in this area. Some schools have 3 or 4 depending on the size and type of school.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

CCW=Concealed Carry Weapon

This implys that the firearm is carried on the person and is concealed. We may talk HERE about our CCWs, but we don't talk in public that we carry concealed. That is actually part of the deal. It's like "Fight Club". You know the first two rules.

Only 2% of the people who are allowed to actually get the permit and carry. So I do not expect most teachers to actually get a permit. This is a "Should they be allowed, if they are trained?", not a "Every teacher must be armed!" statement. My wife has stated that she would not be able to pull the trigger. Until she changes, she should not get a CCW permit. Waving a gun around doesn't shutdown a sitation, it will only escalate it.

Federal law prohibits firearms in school. This prevents LAW ABIDING citizens from carrying in schools, but prevents no one who will carry anyway. CCW permits are an exception, but then the state CCW laws usually prohibit permit holders carrying in schools.

The reason I posted this was not about the school shootings. It was from reading about the woman who is being threatened by her husband. She wants to be able to protect herself from a known threat. She has been trained and has her CCW permit. She is not allowed to carry on school grounds.

Finally, anyone who knows anything about CCW permit holders also knows they are some of the most law abiding citizens around. They break the law about 0.2% of the time compared to the average citizen, at least here in Texas. Permit holders are far less likely to do something rash after a traffic accident, road rage situation, than an average citizen.

I do not want to turn our schools into mini-prisons with armed guards, metal detectors, etc. But, a few trained people can make a difference.

berettafan · 10-12-2007, 05:41 AM

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She let them know if they hassled her they might get a chance to be dressed up in a nice suit in a box, but that was as far as that went.

speachless. really, i don't know what to say to that.

livi · 10-12-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by red-beard

Should teachers who have concealed carry permits be allowed to carry inside the school?

That is one pretty bizarre thought (in Sweden at least). Funny how two 'Western', modern societies can be so diametrically apart. I can see how and why it may not be so far fetched in America though.

craigster59 · craigster59's Garage

Guns in the classroom? What's next, medical marijuana in the Teachers Lounge?

stomachmonkey · 10-12-2007, 09:26 AM

But if it's concealed, and no one knows you have it, then what's the deterrent?

MattKellett · MattKellett's Garage

I find it interested that most of the comments posted are not in favour of teachers carrying a firearm and yet the poll is the opposite!

Matt

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

But if it's concealed, and no one knows you have it, then what's the deterrent?

The deterrent is the same in states with lots of CCW's. Criminals don't know who's armed, but they know lots of folks are. Go to Wash. DC to break into a house and you know the house is undefended. Your chances of success drop quickly when you cross into the VA.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

But if it's concealed, and no one knows you have it, then what's the deterrent?

It is not a deterrent. It is about self protection. Again, the reason I brought this up was about a woman who has a husband who wants to hurt her. It is for her protection and has nothing to students. OTOH, if a student does go "postal", then there is at least a person there who has the training and the tool to stop the situation.

I don't carry to be John Wayne and save the day. If someone carries for that reason, they are a fool. I carry to protect myself and my family. Period.

Moneyguy1 · 10-13-2007, 10:07 AM

How about something a bit less lethal like a taser?

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

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How about something a bit less lethal like a taser?

They are not nearly as reliable as guns. You get one shot. Miss and you're out. Not so with a gun. When cops feel safe enough to only carry tasers and leave their guns behind, I might feel safer with one. AFAIK, a CCW permit does not allow someone to carry a taser. If you are justified in even drawing your sidearm, you are justified in killing the threat. The other side of that is, if you don't fear your life is in imminent danger, the sidearm stays holstered. Neutralizing the threat for a few seconds or minutes with a taser does not stop the threat. Guns do a far better job here. Plus, cops only use tasers to immobilze someone long enough to get them into cuffs. Ever see cops taser an armed man? Nope. He gets the gun treatment.

Also agree with Red Beard. CCW's are not deterrents. They are for defending oneself. They can have a deterrent effect. Ever think you'll see someone try to shoot up the NRA national headquarters? Nuts who do this kind of stuff only ever do so in places where they know no one will be able to stop them. Then again, there was one such nut who shot up a police station here last year. He was killed pretty quickly, but not before he killed two cops.

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

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Originally Posted by Moneyguy1

How about something a bit less lethal like a taser?

I know in California, and suspect in many others that a taser is illegal to have, but you can get a handgun after waiting a few days. As Rick says they are also very unreliable.

Kistle · 10-14-2007, 05:59 PM

Has anyone here who carries ever actually drawn?

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Not me. But I have been in a situation where I 100% would have drawn had I not been in the socialist republic of NJ where I'd go to jail for carrying when some hoods pulled a knife on me. Been pulled over plenty of times while carrying and only once did the cop ask to see my permit.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Not me, but I had one time in Oklahoma City where I was doing pocket carry. A guy was following me, so I crossed the street and then crossed back. He mirrored my moves. I kept the pistol in my jacket pocket, but I removed it from the anti-printing case and had my hand right on it. I kept going and eventually he must have decided I wasn't worth it. He made the right choice. I am not sure if he noticed I kept one hand in my jacket pocket.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

so Johnny Malcontent decides to take an AK to school. Homeroom teacher Mr. Rambo is carrying and decides he's going to save the day. Misses little Johnny but puts three into your son.

I prefer to have my kid take his chances in a relatively gun-free zone. And I've got two Sigs in the safe and 1K+ rounds in the closet. I just don't think that a school is the place for it. Let's treat the disease (ie bullies, psychological issues, lack of parenting) instead of the symptoms.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

So, by your logic, Police shouldn't have guns either.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

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So, by your logic, Police shouldn't have guns either.

you're equating a school teacher with a trained police officer wrt firearms expertise and ability to function in a life or death situation?

Now *there's* some logic...

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Todd, most police officers don't train often with thier weapons. Most CCW holders are at the range weekly or monthly. But then, I and most CCW holders, do not have any intentions of getting involved in a situation where our personal safety is not at risk.

The situation you describe, yes, if I were there, I would do what I needed to protect my life. Also, if I hit a bystander, I am fully responsible, just as a police officer.