Stijn!!

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by HHI944

That's pretty much what it costs to go to SCAD in savannah.....except you're qualified to be a barista after 4 years at SCAD...I'm thinking Loyola gets you a slightly better job market....

When we were in Savannah playing tourists, we took the city tour. The guide was talking up how wonderful SCAD was. My thought was 99% of the graduates go on to a career as a waiter or bar back, maybe construction.

[HHI944]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

When we were in Savannah playing tourists, we took the city tour. The guide was talking up how wonderful SCAD was. My thought was 99% of the graduates go on to a career as a waiter or bar back, maybe construction.

It's ridiculous and the number of students has grown significantly since you were here...

[GH85Carrera]

There is little doubt, an art student that has talent, and wants to learn the proper techniques to make something "look right" can indeed learn a lot in an art school.

Many years ago in photography, before Photoshop, if one wanted to drop out the background of a product and change it to pure white or make it look like it is somewhere else, we needed a frisket. A simple cut of on a special orange material that overlaid the image. A few steps later, ta da, the product can go in a catalog and look nice. We had a new hire, with a fresh degree in commercial art for Oklahoma State. I asked her to cut a frisket and she was clueless as to what it was. I had to grab a guy in a different department that was an old newspaper pressman. He cut the frisket in short order and off we went into production.

I remember that product, it a valve. They called and asked if we could photograph it for their catalog, and we said sure bring it in. They explained that was impossible. So we went there. It was a valve that was 10 feet tall for the oil and gas business. It was sitting in a foundry production floor. We had to bring a bunch of lights and shot the 4x5 negative and get them a perfect image with just a white background.

[RKDinOKC]

Yep I done that with a lot of our valves. They weren't bigger than two people could carry. We did the 4x5 photography in the founder's den and developed an made prints in his basement. Then I got to take the photo to my light table and do the masking/frisket. If was a lot of hassle because we produced photos pre-press could shoot half-tones of using the exact same camera settings for all products.

After photoshop we got a camera and shot the products on a table in our office, the doctored them up and had the half-tones output with the typesetting. Later still we went to a production color laser printer and just made and sent it PDFs. Our press operator fought every step of change.

We had an employees kid that graduated art school that worked for a while. Her stuff was so styled up you couldn't read the text. Everyone just told her how great it looked. Guess it don't matter that you couldn't actually read it. The girls we have now are much better except they sure seem to like putting things in a thin white font on a light green background. Difficult for these old eyes to read.

One of the things I discovered doing graphic arts or commercial art, everybody wants your work, but they don't want to pay for it. Was always getting asked to do stuff for free. It's like all you do is sit at a computer, why do you need paid for that? The worst is people that have absolutely no idea of spacial visualization. You just can't fit all the stuff they want at the size they want it in the area they have.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by HHI944

That's pretty much what it costs to go to SCAD in savannah.....except you're qualified to be a barista after 4 years at SCAD...I'm thinking Loyola gets you a slightly better job market....

A good friend of mine gradumacated from Loyola, he's an engineering manager at Chevron.
Sharp as a whip, if he's any indication it must be a very good school.

I didn't know what SCAD was so i did a search and went to the web site.
After a minute or two I still didn't know what the acronym stood for, it didn't say on their web site that I could find.
Had to go to a different sight to get the answer.

[GH85Carrera]

Yep, and once everyone got a computer, suddenly it was "good enough" since they did it themselves. We used to get files to output to film or the wide format inkjet printer. I can't count how many people had a dark blue background and red letters. AGH. That is almost painful to read, and so very common.

It was the beginning of the end for the photolab business. No one wanted to pay for quality, just "good enough" was enough. It really made a true professionals work stand out, but they were all starving. There are few real commercial professional photographers anymore. Lots of wedding and family picture takers, and "art" photographers. Try to get a really quality food photographer, or someone to go shoot photos of an airplane, or something that has to be shot on site. Even harder is architectural interiors of a commercial site, or high end home. It is 1000 times easier now with digital and photshop, still not easy.

[HHI944]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Yep, and once everyone got a computer, suddenly it was "good enough" since they did it themselves. We used to get files to output to film or the wide format inkjet printer. I can't count how many people had a dark blue background and red letters. AGH. That is almost painful to read, and so very common.

It was the beginning of the end for the photolab business. No one wanted to pay for quality, just "good enough" was enough. It really made a true professionals work stand out, but they were all starving. There are few real commercial professional photographers anymore. Lots of wedding and family picture takers, and "art" photographers. Try to get a really quality food photographer, or someone to go shoot photos of an airplane, or something that has to be shot on site. Even harder is architectural interiors of a commercial site, or high end home. It is 1000 times easier now with digital and photshop, still not easy.

One of the the dwindling number of pro commercial photographers lives in this area. He also has a business revuilding defenders and selling them for a godawful amount of money.

[flipper35]

Our daughter likes to do art and thinks she can make some gas money with it. I told her contact the local art gallery and see. They do not have any art with Japanese influence but what they sell is in the $30-$300 range. Mostly $50-$125 range and some are photographs. She sketched a few on her phone and I told her take them up and see if they have customers interested i that type of art. These are the quick sketches.

[flipper35]

I forgot, she has a tablet for her computer with a pressure sensitive stylus and it is much easier than the paint by finger on her phone that these were created with.

I don't know that there would be a market for that style, but she would have a lock on it for a bit.

[Porsche-poor]

You never know. Tell her to keep at it.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Yep, and once everyone got a computer, suddenly it was "good enough" since they did it themselves. We used to get files to output to film or the wide format inkjet printer. I can't count how many people had a dark blue background and red letters. AGH. That is almost painful to read, and so very common.

It was the beginning of the end for the photolab business. No one wanted to pay for quality, just "good enough" was enough. It really made a true professionals work stand out, but they were all starving. There are few real commercial professional photographers anymore. Lots of wedding and family picture takers, and "art" photographers. Try to get a really quality food photographer, or someone to go shoot photos of an airplane, or something that has to be shot on site. Even harder is architectural interiors of a commercial site, or high end home. It is 1000 times easier now with digital and photshop, still not easy.

Have you tried calling Byron? He's good with camera......

[sammyg2]

When I was a kid, my dad called getting a haircut "getting your ears lowered".
He thought that was so funny, I thought it was dumb back then. Not so dumb anymore.

[Porsche-poor]

My dad used that saying as well. His other "there is only 3 days between and good haircut and a bad one"

[Jim Richards]

I think your daughter has talent, Brent, I hope she sticks with it.

Still raining cats & dogs here. I think the rain clears out this evening.

[flipper35]

I bet the rain clears out a lot of stuff.

[Porsche-poor]

there is guy here who has a son going to some place called digi-pen or something like that where they learn to animate art like that for games and cartoons.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

When I was a kid, my dad called getting a haircut "getting your ears lowered".
He thought that was so funny, I thought it was dumb back then. Not so dumb anymore.

I remember my dad giving me 50 cents to ride my bike down to the barber shop. He gave us military style haircut, no hair longer than 1/2 inch. A basic "high and tight" buzz cut. I had to start mowing yards to make enough money to pay for my own haircuts. Once I was paying I got to have hair that would actually tough my ears! Never long enough to touch my shirt collar. I never did have long hair at any point in my life.

[flipper35]

She only wants to do this for a hobby. Gas money or pay off a dual sport bike money. Not sure how she will get the digital stuff transferred to a larger format paper. I guess she can start 8x10 or so.

For a career she has been looking at set medic as per Hugh R's suggestion. She is good with languages and might do something there. She is good at IT stuff for some reason and that is a possibility.

[flipper35]

I had long hair once in my life. Sophomore year in college. Not SLO Dave long, but close. Even in tight curls it was to my shoulder blades.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I remember my dad giving me 50 cents to ride my bike down to the barber shop. He gave us military style haircut, no hair longer than 1/2 inch. A basic "high and tight" buzz cut. I had to start mowing yards to make enough money to pay for my own haircuts. Once I was paying I got to have hair that would actually tough my ears! Never long enough to touch my shirt collar. I never did have long hair at any point in my life.

Same here, dad cut our hair once a month. He'd break out the clippers and go to town.
When I got a little older I talked him into letting me have a flat top.
He said I looked like a hippy.