Bathroom remodel

[Scuba Steve]

Originally Posted by turbo6bar

If you have screws through the vapor barrier, there's a way for water to get into the framing.

This X 1,000

Water somehow finds a way.

[widebody911]

So how do you attach the hardiboard w/o going through the vapor barrier?

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Scuba Steve

Water somehow finds a way.

exactly -- water can even "creep" uphill


brownie points to the 1st person stating the term & what it is about water that causes this...

[widebody911]

Surface tension and adhesion

[TimT]

brownie points to the 1st person stating the term & what it is about water that causes this...

"Capillary action"

[RWebb]

what it is about water that causes these, ... uh things...

[look 171]

Hydrophilic ?

Widebody,

Its ok to screw through the water barrier on the vertical surface but not on the flats areas like the step or the pan where water can seep through. You tile is water proof, but not the grout joints. There is a lot of water in the back of the tile through the grout joints. I have seen water gushing down the back of a stucco wall during a light rain, because people do not over lap the builder's paper. Instead, they get lazy, or simple do not understand how thing work, and lap it the other way when they patch. Your step may not leak, but why take a chance. I would not install it that way if that was my client's home. I have to make sure I do not get call backs and no law suite in the future because of bad installation methods. Just think what Mike Holmes would say?

I am telling you buddy, that's a mistake waiting to happen.

If you want to save a few bucks, mop or fine someone like Trek and use the rubber membrane then float the pan. You can then use build's felt and Hardy Backer over the vertical surface (We flow everything). when you float the pan, the guys should mop it up about 12" onto the wall. overlapping 12" on the bottom will keep water out for sure. Make sure you fill the pan with a few inches of water and wait 24 hours. Re-measure to make sure there are no leaks before you flow. Some inspectors will do that. I guess you are not getting inspected. That's ok. Good luck.

Jeff

[turbo6bar]

Originally Posted by widebody911

So how do you attach the hardiboard w/o going through the vapor barrier?

Like look says, fine on the vertical surfaces, but not kosher on flat surfaces where you know water will be behind the finished surface. When you install shower pan liners, you never put nail holes in the curb or bottom. You nail the pan liner on the studs 6+" inches up and then lap your vapor barrier over the pan liner. Water then sheds down your tile walls and into your pan. If water gets behind your floor tile, as it inevitably will, the pan liner catches the water and sheds it to the weep holes. Now, since you have a fiberglass pan, you've eliminated the pan liner and mortar bed, but you still have to make sure the water gets to your pan. The shelf you made may prohibit that.

Am I way off base here, guys?

[Zeke]

You can always dab some sealant on each and every nail and screw.

[trekkor]

Water flows freely through Hardibacker.


KT

[jyl]

Suppose wide puts more of an angle on the "step"?

Also, thinking ahead to the tiling step, is he advised to use epoxy grout or regular grout? If regular grout, sanded or unsanded? Color?

[Zeke]

I still say no tile on the step. In fact, I'm a big fan of man made solid surface for the whole shower. Takes 3 pieces of 1/4" material for the typical job. Cuts with regular woodworking tools.

Is it too late to move the pan to one side and make that shelf up higher?

[widebody911]

Originally Posted by turbo6bar

Like look says, fine on the vertical surfaces, but not kosher on flat surfaces where you know water will be behind the finished surface.

That makes sense. How would I attach it without screws?

My original thought was to build a "ramp" with mortar or something.

[widebody911]

Making slow progress - started installing tile this afternoon

[widebody911]

Still plodding along...

[rcecale]

Lookin' good, but...



...just sayin'

Randy

[look 171]

With you fuch ing guys here, I am afraid to post pictures. what are you, an owl?

[Zeke]

I wonder why people like to install a band like that. When I shower, I'm not looking at the architecture, only how hard it will be to clean. My bathroom is not on the house tour. By the same token, I don't use clear glass shower doors either.

I've always considered clear glass something that needs undue attention in more ways than one.

[azasadny]

Lookin' good so far!!

[cbush]

There is some old story about how one ancient culture always puts one small mistake in their work because only God is perfect and they would not presume to be God.
That is our excuse for a small mistake in our tlle work and other similiar projects like stained glass windows and lamps

Nice work by the way, and I like the accent tiles- gives it a nice look.