Random Spoon Pics Thread

[Super_Dave_D]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

It's a real Walther. Pretty rough war time finish, like all the rest.

Wasn't questioning if it was real wartime., I see that it is. The P38 was made by 3 makers in WWII.

Walther - AC on the left side of slide
Spreewerk - CYQ on the left side of slide
Mauser - BYF on the left side of slide

just wondering the maker

[Z-man]

Speaking of German WWII spoons, I just acquired this Walther PP chambered in .32 ACP:

It certainly isn't in collectable condition, but it should make a fun shooter.

The markings on it seem to indicate that it may be a Waffen Proofed, Luffwaffe contract firearm.

Here are my two German ladies:

[Z-man]

Speaking of German WWII spoons, I just acquired this Walther PP, chambered in .32 ACP (or 7.65mm):

It certainly isn't in collectable condition, but it should make a fun shooter.

The markings on it seem to indicate that it may be a Waffen Proofed, Luftwaffe contract firearm.

Here are my two German ladies:

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Jrboulder

More flecktarn

Postwar because of Phosphate finish and Dural frame.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Z-man

Speaking of German WWII spoons, I just acquired this Walther PP, chambered in .32 ACP (or 7.65mm):

It certainly isn't in collectable condition, but it should make a fun shooter.

The markings on it seem to indicate that it may be a Waffen Proofed, Luffwaffe contract firearm.

Here are my two German ladies:

Refinished PP if WW2 or before vintage.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Super_Dave_D

In a large gun store here locally today, not known for having older used guns, and stumbled across this very nice matching numbers Spreewerk P-38 from late 1944. I love the machining marks, evidence of quantity over quality by that time.

Looks to be a rework as it is just so clean..tough to tell?

The trigger pull on the P38 is heavy and they were never built to be super accurate.

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by tabs

Refinished PP if WW2 or before vintage.

Tabs - you are spot on, as always! Actually, I dug a bit into what's left of the proof marks on the spoon - someone was more focused on refurbishing the firearm rather than preserving the markings.

The serial number (231xxxP) confirms it was produced in 1942 in the Zella plant.

Then I researched what was left of the proof mark on the trigger guard:


The symbol is what is left of the left wings of an eagle, and the letters/numbers are:
WaA359. This indicates that the firearm is Waffen Proofed, Luftwaffe contract firearm.

Paid $545 for what amounts to a decent shooter. It is certainly not a collectable given its refinished condition, but it is pretty cool to know the history behind it!

- Z

[Super_Dave_D]

Originally Posted by tabs

Looks to be a rework as it is just so clean..tough to tell?

The trigger pull on the P38 is heavy and they were never built to be super accurate.

Not a refinish, pictures and lighting don't show the wear. Nice honest thining of the from and back strap as well as the slide. You can see a little corrosion on the front of the slide on the bottom. Definitely not a Russian re-blue and no import markings.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Super_Dave_D

Wasn't questioning if it was real wartime., I see that it is. The P38 was made by 3 makers in WWII.

Walther - AC on the left side of slide
Spreewerk - CYQ on the left side of slide
Mauser - BYF on the left side of slide

just wondering the maker

Oh, I know, Dave - I was just clearing up which of the three wartime makers turned out this one. Maybe "real Walther" didn't convey that real well. Anyhoo, it's a wartime Walther gun. Pretty darn rough. Internally, rough to the point that it just doesn't cycle all that well. Good news for guys like my father-in-law, though...

[on2wheels52]

The PPK fans come out of the closet



My best ones are the worst looking. The S&W needed a recall, and the Manurhin is the only French gun I've owned. You can pick out the German ones blindfolded.
Jim

[fred cook]

Just added this one, a Colt Police Positive Target in .22WRF. It was born in 1923 and has the optional checkered wood grips with both ponies facing forward, something that Colt discontinued along about 1925 or so. The front sight is adjustable for elevation and the rear for windage. These guns were assembled by the most experienced workers at Colt and have an excellent trigger both SA and DA. Kind of a baby brother to the Colt Officers Model of the day. Only about 28,000 of the PPTs were made, making it a scarce if not rare Colt model. Some pics:

[onewhippedpuppy]

Do you guys with the older German PPs find them to be higher quality than the brand new ones? I've handled a few new ones and been very unimpressed, but I know they are made under license by S&W.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by fred cook

Beautiful Fred.

My two Colts

[Taz's Master]

I wish I could find and link the thread I read where an old (I think it was a K-17) S&W revolver was compared to a new (I think 617) S&W revolver. It broke down the differences and why the changes were made from a manufacturing standpoint. New S&W's are tremendous functional machines, but there are significant differences between what they used to build and what they currently produce. I would think new S&W PP's would be far more uniform piece to piece, and generally serviceable, but I suspect a good German PP is far nicer than a brand new S&W, just based on my experience with their new and old revolvers.

Got a chance to shoot one of these the other day, very accurate, and a FAR better trigger than I was led to believe Taurus was capable of producing.

[JasonDTM]

Originally Posted by Rick V

Added a compensator to it. The wife thinks it helps her, it makes the comander a full size but convertable back to it's regular length.

I have the fullsize verison, a little shy of 2k down the pipe, 1 double feed and 1 operator error(thumbed the ss with my weak hand.)

[Racerbvd]

So to venture off topic, but still spoon related.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

I wish I could find and link the thread I read where an old (I think it was a K-17) S&W revolver was compared to a new (I think 617) S&W revolver. It broke down the differences and why the changes were made from a manufacturing standpoint. New S&W's are tremendous functional machines, but there are significant differences between what they used to build and what they currently produce. I would think new S&W PP's would be far more uniform piece to piece, and generally serviceable, but I suspect a good German PP is far nicer than a brand new S&W, just based on my experience with their new and old revolvers.

Got a chance to shoot one of these the other day, very accurate, and a FAR better trigger than I was led to believe Taurus was capable of producing.

U mean they are building shyte now as compared to bhack in the day. The slide in quality started shortly after the end of WW2 and continued through the 80's (for all American made arms, unless you wanted to pay for it).

[fred cook]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Beautiful Fred.

My two Colts

Very nice! I like them both!

[Taz's Master]

Originally Posted by tabs

U mean they are building shyte now as compared to bhack in the day. The slide in quality started shortly after the end of WW2 and continued through the 80's (for all American made arms, unless you wanted to pay for it).

From one perspective I'm in total agreement, and from another I disagree. Metallurgy, competition and production methods have changed the industry. S&W could not have produced a functional L Frame .44 Magnum. In reality they couldn't produce a durable K Frame .357. Also S&W's 2 piece barrel is likely more accurate than those of old. They are building to compete in a market, rather than building to a standard and allowing the market to set the price, just think what would happen to price if old methods were employed today. Objectively they are building fine tools, but subjectively they aren't in the same league with the reputation they built.

[badcar]

Completed my first build.