777 down

[sc_rufctr]

All of March seems like April fools.

My heart goes out to the families touched by this tragedy.

[billjam]

I am not a conspiracy theorist, I kinda lean towards the pilot with a gripe scenario, however I received the "theory" below the mail today. Seems a bit OTT to me, especially the bit about outsiders flying the plane remotely. I am sure some experts here can shoot down this one (the theory that is!). Or not!

The Americans are withdrawing from Afghanistan; one of their command and control system (used for controlling pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Taliban when an American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill-top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

What the Taliban wants is money. They want to sell the system to the Russians or the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the Americans have engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the Americans will not hijack or harm a civilian airliner. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.
When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane lost altitude momentarily.

How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeing aircraft could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.

The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Deigo Garcia, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.

The Americans have put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. Australia is the co-actor.

The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

Personally, I think someone's imagination has been working overtime on this, at least that's what I hope.

[widgeon13]

Sound like a Robert Ludlum book.

So far anything is possible and the longer it goes unsolved the crazier the stories will be.

[cashflyer]

Ah, I see you have the machine that goes 'ping!'. This is my favorite. You see, we lease this back from the company we sold it to - that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.

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[Sunroof]

Oh, I like this latest one. Sure beats the UFO collision theory! Nice to think that that aforementioned theory could be possible but sophisicated equipment like that would not be in theater; besides they are flown from thousands of miles away. I like the Israeli intelligence angle, but James Bond was working his end at the gaming tables in a Singapore Casino and My Ling (Malaysian double agent) could'nt get enough vodka martini's to talk yet. Don't worry, Bond always scores!!!!!

Gettin crazy............

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by billjam

I am not a conspiracy theorist, I kinda lean towards the pilot with a gripe scenario, however I received the "theory" below the mail today. Seems a bit OTT to me, especially the bit about outsiders flying the plane remotely. I am sure some experts here can shoot down this one (the theory that is!). Or not!

The Americans are withdrawing from Afghanistan; one of their command and control system (used for controlling pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Taliban when an American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill-top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

Snip ...

Personally, I think someone's imagination has been working overtime on this, at least that's what I hope.

The first paragraph kills it for me and is there remote control in civilian aircraft?
I doubt that very much. It would be way too expensive to install and maintain and there's no way that could be kept secret from the general public.

[GWN7]

How did they get 20 tons of machinery to Malaysia? Why wouldn't they just drive the trucks to China? After all they share a border.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by GWN7

How did they get 20 tons of machinery to Malaysia? Why wouldn't they just drive the trucks to China? After all they share a border.

Exactly...

[Chocaholic]

At this point the conviction surrounding these new water locations also seems contrived. Keep searching the oceans until the story eventually fades into lore. As such, we may never know the reality. I can't imagine the frustration felt by the families when it's likely you're being deceived by those who are supposed to be helping.

At this point, it's equally probable that it's somewhere in Pakistan on dry ground.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

At this point, it's equally probable that it's somewhere in Pakistan on dry ground.

Nah, zero chance of that. Stick to the most likely facts...

The ocean is a big place. They know this plane flew for quite a while, which implies that it flew at a reasonably high altitude and maybe not as fast as it could have flown. They have a pretty decent idea of it's path now, I think, but with without knowing it's exact altitude, speed and how long it flew after the last ping, it could have ended up anywhere in a pretty big area. If the pilot was indeed flying it into the water on purpose, he could have ditched the pane in a way that would have resulted in less debris than the AF plane, to use one example. Now, three weeks later, any debris could be many hundreds of miles away from where it crashed. And, the currents aren't the same in all areas of the ocean down there. They vary a lot.

This isn't easy, folks.

JR

[onewhippedpuppy]

With nearly zero facts, and the known facts changing regularly, the theories can be as crazy as they want to be. I think JR is much closer to reality.

[AFC-911]

Originally Posted by varmint

"never"?


they found the titanic eventually. of course it was bigger, in shallower water, and they had a better idea where it went down. only took seventy years.

Yeah. If it's going to take 70+ years to find this. F that. We got bigger problems to fry.

Perhaps Boeing and the airline industry can keep looking so they can find the cause and correct it, but the rest of the resources being dumped into this. They'll quit after a month or at least they should.

So yeah, I don't think they'll ever find it.

[cashflyer]

[intakexhaust]

Going back to the theory and pointing at the pilot. Definitely leaving the possibility on the table BUT they still haven't found evidence or statement written or verbally by him that would validate his so called 'doing in' of this magnitude just for political distaste.

Now we hear the final words have changed and seems more like a normal identification (three - one - seven) and transmission. Why has Malaysia shown such inaccuracies and pertinent details? This troubles me about Malaysia.

I think they need to start investigating the investigators. Also, I'm surprised China hasn't put much heat on. Was there some Chinese political dissident's on board? Everyone on that manifest has to be looked into.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by intakexhaust

Going back to the theory and pointing at the pilot. Definitely leaving the possibility on the table BUT they still haven't found evidence or statement written or verbally by him that would validate his so called 'doing in' of this magnitude just for political distaste.

Now we hear the final words have changed and seems more like a normal identification (three - one - seven) and transmission. Why has Malaysia shown such inaccuracies and pertinent details? This troubles me about Malaysia.

I think they need to start investigating the investigators. Also, I'm surprised China hasn't put much heat on. Was there some Chinese political dissident's on board? Everyone on that manifest has to be looked into.

I lived in Malaysia for a short time and non of this surprises me. Corruption is at every level of Government and business. Even the cops take bribes openly.

Don't get me wrong. It's a great place to visit and the locals are friendly but everything about Malaysia and how things are done is about "saving face."

[javadog]

I don't buy the notion of a catastrophic structural failure. In those cases, the plane doesn't continue to fly for 6 or 7 more hours.

I don't think it was a terrorist hijacking. No claims of responsibility and those guys never miss an opportunity to make a big deal about their "successes".

I don't think it was a fire, as the time involved in various things getting shut down, the turns it made, etc., are too great for the pilot's to not have had time to get a Mayday call out. No way do I believe the fire knocked out all of their lines of comuunication. Nor do I believe that the plane made a turn south, long after the first turn, without a functional pilot. Nor do I believe that the first turn could have been in response to an emergency like a fire, if it wasn't followed up with a Mayday call.

I don't believe it's sitting on the ground, or flown anywhere near land. You can hide a plane in the ocean, easily. Not so on land, without someone seeing it, either in person, on radar, or with a satellite.

I don't believe any conspiracy theories, like the one postulated above, or that aliens got it, or it's on the moon, mainly because I'm not an idiot.

Kind of leaves one alternative, which points to one of the pilots.

JR

[sc_rufctr]

But could one of the Pilots overpower his copilot and then incapacitate the crew and passengers?

I'd have an easier time believing it if the the copilot was in on it.

[Sunroof]

The only credible news worthy evidence was what witnesses in the Maldives saw. They saw the airliner at very low altitude over the ocean with no sign of fire. This has not been at the top of the story. The Maldives are south and west of the southern tip of India and would not likely be in the flght path that is presently claimed. Its been hushed up ever since these witnesses came forward.

Just another piece of the puzzle.

[cashflyer]

Final words of pilots:


Did he not clear the runway - that Pan American?
— Flight Engineer William Schreuder, KLM, 27 March 1977, just prior to the worst aviation crash ever, the collision of two B-747's on the ground in the Canary Islands.

Hey - what's happening here?
— Captain Robert Loft, Eastern Air Lines flight 401, 29 December 1972, last recorded words before crashing into the Florida everglades.

God, look at that thing!
That don't seem right, does it?
That's not right.
— First Officer Roger Pettit, during takeoff roll, Air Florida Flight 90, 1982.

Larry! We're going down, Larry!
I know it.
— First Officer Roger Pettit and Captain Larry Wheaton, last words recorded on Air Florida Flight 90, close to the 14th Street Bridge Washington D.C., 1982.

Portland Tower, United 173, Mayday! We're . . . the engines are flaming out—we're going down. We're not going to be able to make the airport.
— First Officer Rodrick Beebe. United DC-8. 28 Last recorded words. December 1978.

American 191 under way.
— Captain Walter Lux, American Airlines. Last recorded words. 25 May 1979.

I don't like this
— Flight Engineer Gordon Brooks, Air New Zealand 901, last recorded words before the Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) alerted. The DC-10 crashed into the side of Mt. Erebus 26 seconds later. 28 November 1979.

Go-around power please
— Captain Jim Collins, Air New Zealand 901, last recorded words. 28 November 1979.

Yes—don't worry.
— Captain Michel Asseline, Air France, last recorded words, in reply to copilot Captain Pierre Mazieres alerting him to watch out for the pylons ahead. Ten seconds the A-320 crashed into trees during an airshow. 26 June 1988.

Reverser's deployed!
— First Officer Josef Thurner, Air Lauda 004, last recorded words during 'impossible' in-flight deployment of the B-767's thrust reverser. 26 May 1991.

Why is it turning . . . . Yes it is.
— El'dar Kudrinsky, the 15 year old son of the captain of Aeroflot 593. he had earlier asked, "May I turn this — the control wheel — a bit," and had disconnected part of the autopilot. An action unnoticed by the adult flight crew. Last recorded words, 22 march 1994

Critter five-ninety-two, we need the, uh, closest airport available.
— First Officer Richard Hazen, ValuJet 592, last recorded words before crashing into the Everglades due to in-flight fire. 11 may 1996.

Too late. No time, no.
— Captain Christian Marty, Air France 4590 Concorde, last recorded words. ATC had just warned, "Concorde zero ... 4590, You have flames. You have flames behind you." 25 July 2000.

Hang onto it. Hang onto it.
— Captain Edward States, last recorded words, American Airlines Flight 587, from New York's JFK to the Dominican Republic. 09:15 Eastern, 12 November 2001.

Well, no, you can see the ground. . . . You can see something. Maybe there won—t be a tragedy.
— Major Robert Grzywna, second pilot (F/O) of the Polish Air Force Tu-154M that crashed in known fog close to Smolensk, Russia, killing all 96 onboard including President Lech Kaczynski, spoken to the chief of protocol. Orignal Polish: "Nie, no ziemie widac— Cos tam widac— Moze nie bedzie tragedii." The flight crew then tried to land, descending confidently into woods a half-mile from the runway, ignoring warnings from the GPWS. The cockpit was calm until the moment the plane hit a tree and flipped over. The last words on the recording are screamed obscenities. 10 April 2010.

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— last known transmission, Malaysia Airlines flight 370, to Malaysian ATC. 01:19 local time 8 March 2014.

[Sunroof]

Cashflyer..........your killin me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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