new chip

[Jgordon]

heheh...condoms. Caradimos, could you go a little further in your explanation of the california car 8 hp gain? I have a california car, and have posted here a couple of times as well as asked several mechanics. No one has been able to tell me how a CA car differs from others. My instinct tells me that CA wouldn't let their cars be as powerful, but I had thought that it might be a more restrictive cat or something. Anything you could tell me would be appreciated.

Thanks

[copper]

I checked under the seat of my 69.

The only chip I found was sour cream and onion...

Not too bad, just a little chewy.

Oh well us early guys will have to settle for stock...

[paulgtr]

Originally posted by copper
Oh well us early guys will have to settle for stock...

...or a set of down draft webbers

[rcaradimos]

ya ya, playing it safe... It appears from my reading on the board, is that the Calf. cars have a jumper of the DME #10 that retards the timeing for emissions, so by disconecting the white clip under drivers seat in front of DME would advance timeing for an incease of HP (searchDME) about 8hp. Working on a steady loop around my area so when I disconect the jumper I should notice the increase, if so then the CHIP. Most likely Steve W. Chip. Just want to see if I can notice the 8hp and if so, Ill look forward to the chip for another 10/12hp. That's the way I read it!

[Lorenfb]

And then a new; air filter for 5-10 HP, exhaust for 15-20 HP, ignition wires for 3-5 HP,
ignition coil 1-2 HP, platinum spark plugs 1-2 HP, LWF & clutch 10 HP, & etc, & etc.

With all the mods you can do, you'll have almost as much HP as a 3.6 964.

And then with these, who knows how much more (maybe 993 VarioRam):

"OEM 930 Rear and Front Sway Away 930 T-bars and sway bars w/OEM susp. bushings,, Turbo Tie Rods, bump steer kit, Adj. Rear Spring Plates, OEM Short Shift, H4s and "City Lights", slotted rotors, 944 Wheels, 225/50/16 and 245/40/16 Dunlop "sneakers," - rbcsaver -

The possibilities are limitless!

[Craig 930 RS]

Try to be fair, Loren:

98% of us know the above items do zip.
Ye Olde 'chip' actually does.

[RC-Escape]

If I want to purchase a Steve Wong chip, where do I go? On-line site? A dealer?

Thanks.

[Wavey]

Originally posted by RC-Escape
If I want to purchase a Steve Wong chip, where do I go? On-line site? A dealer?

Thanks.

Our host sells them - check the Pelican catalog here.

[Wavey]

Originally posted by RC-Escape
If I want to purchase a Steve Wong chip, where do I go? On-line site? A dealer?

Also:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?threadid=201101

no affiliation.

You know what's funny? Every time Loren pipes up, Steve sells more chips!

[paulgtr]

I put that cheap chip in my car over a year ago now, and I can report back no problems with the motor whatsoever.
I was using mobil 93 octane but switched to shell this year.
runs better on shell for some reason....
living out on the east end of long island and during the summer it was not a problem with the motor, no overheating and no traces of pinging.
I am planning to switch out the stock exhaust for a set of SSI's
and have not decided on which muffler to go with.
and am also considering trying a steve wong chip.

[charleskieffner]

to steve w. i know nothing about chips with exception its under my drivers seat! from reading all of these threads, i was intrigued that you can have a "stock OEM chip" burned onto the same chip as a performance chip. is this true? if so i would be interested as i must keep mine stock for PCA/SCCA showroom stock class events, but when not at track, i would like to gain anything i can from '87 3.2 motor with only airbox/K&N filter/cat-back/ and GHL single in-single out exhaust. please reply if this "dual-setup" is do-able. or do you have to replace chip with performance model and back to OEM each time? or just have switch labled OEM and "go-faster!"

[Steve W]

It's doable, by for racing why bother? If you win and you're examined and they see this funky aftermarket chip setup with a switch on the side of the DME box, what are you gonna tell them - 'honest sir, see that switch with a sticker next to it that says stock? I would never flip it into performance mode when racing. ' Then again, if you never get examined, how would they ever know if you were running a chip or not? Half the guys out there are probably cheating with a chip already.

[charleskieffner]

senor steve w. this is very interesting due to cheaters in score off road 1/2 1600 class boring out restrictor plates and having an edge until we protested and had them torn down! caught the SOB red handed! he went by us like he was on fire! thats when we knew something was up! anyway could i place switch in engine compartment as to negate me changing from one to the other while racing? witnessed by track official at start of race and then when on the street change back to" go fast mode". if so what would this chip burning process cost me? w/switch etc. can you take stock OEM chip, burn "go fast" mode into it, and i keep my oem chip unmolested,and unchanged? thanks for your time.

[Steve W]

God forbid if you accidentally placed your 'stock" and "go fast' mode stickers in reverse! This is basically a custom setup and it has to be done on a 28 pin chip. If your DME is 24 pin, it will have to be converted to 28 pin first. Your OEM chip is not needed - it's all programmed into new 16K chip. Best to email me if you want to go into details about this.

[charleskieffner]

so steve once 16 pin chip is placed in black box under seat thats it? place switch in "stock" mode for az emissions and racing, and then put into "go like hell mode " for highway! this sounds great! best of both worlds..............love that! and i love your choice of car........a red cabriolet...............man you have good taste..........just like me! cant get enough of red cabriolets! will e-mail you direct when i move into that direction. right now kinda following your same route on your profile. thanks a hell of alot for your time and unraveling some black box voodoo i wasnt sure of at all. chuck kieffner 1987 cabriolei von hell! lets see ..............hmmmm i like that reverse sticker angle on racing and stock modes LOL!

[jkarolyi]

It would be really neat to have a switchable chip that wasn't just stock, but OPTIMIZED for emissions. Is it possible to optimize the mixture for emissions with the DME? It would be so nice just to flip a switch and have it pass CA emissions, even if it ran like crap.

Needless to say, I LOVE my Wong chip! Thanks again Steve!

[greglepore]

FWIW, I don't think the rules require stock programing, they require an actual stock CHIP. No way to enforce it otherwise, I don't think they have an eprom reader at tech inspections.

The switchable chip is a great idea for emissions compliance and/or poor fuel, but not for racing.

[Steve W]

If you goal is to pass emissions, I think the dual chip setup would just complicate things. My chips usually pass emissions even in the toughest state of California. It's the cars that are marginal that have some difficulty because if there's an air leak, a cylinder or injector imbalance, poor maintenance, bad valve guides, a worn cat, or whatever, the NOx can go over the limit. For smog testing, I'd recommend connecting the two pin 10 brown wires by the DME to reduce the ignition timing and lean transient enrichment further reducing the NOx and HC emissions, and disconnect after you're done. The stock chip is optimized for emissions as it runs with a lot of ignition retard, and a tightly controlled lean stoichiometric mixture, giving you lots of emissions margin to pass smog, even with a lot of the types of mechanical defects listed above. One of my customers who is now an engineer for Boeing, used to work for CARB in the 80s, said when they were emissions testing cars, the Carrera measured to be the second cleanest car of all cars manufactured next to a Toyota subcompact. So while the California and US cars smogged clean, they also ran like dogs.

[mwbaum]

I've had Steve's chip for about three years, and he swapped it for the latest version for free about 18 months ago. I have passed emissions with flying colors every time.

[greglepore]

Yeah, I'd agree w/Steve, mine breezed thru locally w/ no cat. I'm just assuming there are places that are tough enough to trip 'em up, but maybe not.