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For the record I'm a huge 959 fan.
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I know i am going to get flamed but the 959 lost some of it's appeal for me...
To me its lines have dated less gracefully than your regular 911. I used to love it when it came out but I am a little cold right now. Granted I have never driven one but I wonder if AWD system lessen the driving experience. To me the car has an incredible value for the technical specs... twin sequential turbos (do not know of any other street car that has done this succesfully), water cooled heads on air cooled engine on street car, permanent intelligent AWD, first street car to get to 200mph (I think PAG stated 197mph officially but it was clearly faster) whilst being able to take you and the kids to the grocery store. Comparisons with today's cars are a little silly... Then again in the eye of a buyer with $200k to spare... |
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I guess a 959 is a "must have" for the Seinfeld crowd that must have every Porsche of notoriety. Being some that don't have the scratch to lay out for a car thats time had come and went, I think a GT2 is a proper comparison (At least Excellence didn't think it was too much of a stretch). There was an article even a year or two earlier that compared all Turbo's, not just the GT2 and the 959 didn't actually blow everyone out of the way. They gave it credit if for being a great car in it time, 20 years ago.
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I've read the Excellence article referred to earlier in the thread. While they found the new 996 Turbo or GT2 ( I forget which they tested it against) to clearly be faster (duh.), they found the looks and driving experience of the 959 to be superior.
Turbo's are run-of-the-mill cars, the 959 was once king. No comparison. It even won Paris-Dakar. The looks may be dated in the photographs, however, it is said that in person it is stunning. |
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There are were a few that were DOT approved back in the day... Now days CANEPCA (sp) is doing some stuff to them .. to make them street legal...
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That's what I am saying to the 1st comment of it being a slower car... yes it will be.. for goodness sake it's a 20 yea old car.. as I was saying the NEW GT2 had BETTER be a better overall car... if not Porsche is in one hell of a slump if thay can't make a better car in 20 years.. What I am saying that the 959 is a GREAT car by even today and it was a F'ing SUPER CAR! of it's time for sure..
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I agree completely. My dream car.
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I remember that at the time there was one only car that could be compared.... Ferrari 288 GTO (which is still one of my fav cars ever).
2 other cars were close but no match... the Aston Martin Vantage Zagato (0-60 in 4.9 and 190 mph) and the by then ols Lamborghini Countach LP5000QV... |
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from the way talk about it being such a slug and ugly gray as well as the comfort package slowing it down I'd say you either own a sport version in the ever so rare Red or Silver.. or you have never driven one... which is it? Just to touch on the topic of the 996GT2 and the 959 being compared.. you DO realize that the 959 was developed in the early 80's and sold in 1988! the GT2 is one of Porsche top offerings CURRENT TIME! OF COURSE IT IS GOING TO BE A over all BETTER CAR! it DAMN WELL BETTER BE! I think you have NO concept of what you are talking about.. but thanks for sharing anyway... that's the great thing about the USA and the Pelican forums.. we are able to hear it all." Eric, sorry I missed this till now! have you ever driven one?? if so please, tell us all about it?? -The 959 is one of my all time favorite cars. After seeing one in person this past winter and taking 50 or so photo's of it I was convinced again that this is not only a technological marvel, but in my opinion one of the most bueatiful cars ever. That being said, 1. There were too many of them built for them to be worth this kind of $$, and I seriously doubt that they will ever be worth huge money as an investment, of course you could buy one and we'll see in 30 years who was right!! 2. All that I and 99% of this forum can do in this case regarding how it drives VS the new cars is read other opinions of the cars, if you didn't read the Excellence article I suggest you take a look you may educate your self a bit more... 3. And finally, I see you're from cleveland!- Good luck with the Indians, I hope they take the white sox and win the division! |
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"just completed a complete $45,000 full engine and drive train freshening by Andial"
OK, how the hell do you spend $45K on a "freshening" for a motor with only 11,000 kilometers on it? ...I didn't think Andial was a NASA contractor. --Bill
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So lets hear all about it then....
-The excellence article compared two different cars, a more or less stock car which they kind of slammed if I remember correctly saying it wasn't nearly as good as what they thought it would be based on how all of us have dreamed about them for the last twenty years -the second car they drove was modified, with a different turbo and a lot of go fast goodies, that car they loved, but still said you couldn't really come up with any good reason for buying one today, given the other options out there today for much less money -That doesn't mean that people won't sell these cars for a lot of cash, hell, people buy pet rocks.. |
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I'm really not sure what a picture of a carrerra GT has to do with the 959 that is for sale-that we've been talking about?
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Can someone scan the excellence article? I am curious to read it whichever way they decided.
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Petrol, I still think you are missing what I am saying... I am not the type person that listens to what others opinions are about things..and holds onto them as gospel. I like to find out for myself.. If some one told you SEX with a great Gal was bad .. would you believe them and go around repeating what they said.. I would hope not. What I am trying to say is that no one shouldn't BASH a 20 year old Super car because it doesn't stack up to a 2004 GT2 or a 2004 Twin Turbo.. that's CRAZY! and as for Excellence.. sure that's a GREAT magazine.. but just because they say it's not what they thought it would be.. who CARES! almost everything aside from sex isn't quite going to meets ones expectations after 15-20 years of seeing it and dreaming of what it would be like to drive one especially a CAR! As guys we dream of cars and fall asleep dreaming of ourselves winning lemans in them but yeah.. They will never as fast and as sweet as we had dreamed them to be 20 years ago…It is what it is..... So .. Do you see what I am saying,, not trying to get into a " who can piss further" contest with you. I am simply saying that yes a 996TT is a damn great machine.. and yeah around a track SURE! it's faster and all.. but that doesn't mean the 959 is any less a car.. I also happen to think a 959 is far prettier to look at than a 996 TT. just my .02 which is worth as much as a good fart... so as far as comparing a 996TT to a 959 what do you want to hear? as the question and I'll answer you. hey in 20 or 30 years call me and we'll talk about the going price for a low mileage 959 BTW: I am from Centerville, Ohio... but I am a BOSTON fan... -Eric
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Good post Kurt... (re: silly question)
FWIW, none of those shots of Erik are "chopped"... look 'em up... For a MO, he's been very fortunate to not only have access to MANY (and I DO mean MANY) cars the rest of us only DREAM about, but he's had the opportunity to give them the ol' what for !!! Personally, I think we ought to compare the original Mercedes 300SL to the McLaren Mercedes SLR... ...but that would be on a different board wouldn't it...? (Did THAT stir the pot a bit ???  )
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