Att all people hurt by MotorMeister

[efhughes3]

Favrok, if the comment made by Andy, which I and others think was warranted bugs you, then you've lost some of my sympathy. You contradict yourself in telling him to cut the "politically correct" statements, yet you say anyone can vent anyway they can.

Cheap or unskilled labor knows know bounds when it comes to race, religion or sex.

[ossiblue]

Just a thought after following this thread for several days. I am not computer/internet savvy, but would it be possible to create a "pop-up" that would appear whenever anyone clicks on the MM website? The pop-up could direct them to this fourm, or anyother site that gives first hand experiences with the company. Don't know if this is possible, but it could help inform many who only communicate through the net.

[favrok01]

it is not legally possible ossiblue

once you click the mm domain then everything after that is triggered by the server hosting that domain.

if you "hacked" a popup they would have legal recourse and report it then you would be asked to remove the popup.

efhughes3 what has your sympathy done for me lately? since your rudimentary understanding of the written word seems unable to understand my last explanation i will. repeat it once again in a more lengthy and defined manner.

a factual statement is not derogatory. when the labor performed and completed is 90% dominant by one ethnic class it can be defined as that ethnic classes labor.

example
Italian meatball
polish sausage
Spanish tile
German engineering
Swedish time pieces

and in this case Mexican rebuilds.
if it was a bunch of Russians it would have been stated Russian rebuilds but it isn't.

thats what they are with no slight to cultural back ground.

and i said i don't want politically correct statements, they are for the weak and overly sensitive. Usually babied children who stayed home until their mid twenties. These people usually have no real problems so they create these little ones so that they have something to do or talk about. I personally grow tired of dealing with these people who have in most cases never left their own state much less the country. ( where they would learn what a real problem is ) I encourage open venting toward mm without recourse here in this thread.

I____h o p e___t h i s___w a s___c l e a r___e n o u g h

[Formerly Steve Wilkinson]

Where's charlie kieffner when we need him?

[efhughes3]

Whatever, signing off.

BTW, how's that website going? It's only been a year now. Either do something, or take your lumps.

[Andy Ring]

favrok01 my reply was not even directed at you--it was directed at Steve Wilkinson. I also apologized for being off-thread, so chill.

I'm not usually concerned with people being super politically correct, but having read SW's book (which I enjoyed) I hold him in a certain regard and it didn't seem in character for him to make the comment-it also reflects negatively on this community (PP BBS) which is a shame. SW apologized, and I'm happy he thought better of his comment...

Enough said about this--good luck with your anti-Motor Meister campaign.

[bigchillcar]

taking my toys and going home, too..

[long board]

Wow, and here I honestly thought something might come from this thread that would actually help those of us who have lost $1,000s having made the poor choice of using MM.

I would still like to know and contact those who have actually had a bad expereince with MM and maybe discuss (off line to stay on topic) what they did or what they're going to do. I still need to resovle my problem and want to be the most effective possible.

[Gene Wilkes]

Must be the stress of the season. Seems to be a lot of 'sniping'!

Regarding MM. Maybe an organized class action suit would work! There are apparently plenty of victoms!

Merry Christmas!

[Formerly Steve Wilkinson]

What I've seen of class-action suits--the stuff I not infrequently get in the mail because I own stock in a certain company or am on record as having bought a certain appliance or hving dealt with a certain airline--it turns out that if I can collect a carton-ful of receipts and records including the weather report for a day six years ago, photographs of every woman I've ever slept with, and my original birth certificate, I will sometime within the next eighteen months be sent a check for $1.75, whcih is my share of the proceeds after the class-action lawyers and expenses are paid.

This is how, in the real world, class-action suits are resolved.

[MBecker911]

I apologize in advance for, perhaps, perpetuating the madness. But, the following is said with respect for the cut and thrust of political debate between consenting adults.

favrok, I disagree with your assertion that, by definition, a factual statement cannot be derogatory. The world does not operate by strict rules of abstract logic, much as we may wish it did. History, cultural bias, prejudice and racism exist. You can dislike it, or regret it, but you can't ignore it. Factual or not, "Mexican" rebuild is not morally equivalent to "German" engineering.

Respectfully,

Mike Becker

[the]

Originally posted by Formerly Steve Wilkinson
. . . I will sometime within the next eighteen months be sent a check for $1.75, whcih is my share of the proceeds after the class-action lawyers and expenses are paid.

This is how, in the real world, class-action suits are resolved.

No, that's overly optimistic and generous.

What you really get is a *certificate* good for $1.75 off your next purchase of $100 or more of the product/service that was the subject of the class action.

[long board]

Geeez,

How 'bout those who want to discuss MM start a new thread? Or, perhaps, those who want to discuss other matters start a thread?

I would sincerely like to get together with those who have a similar experience MM's work product. dwilson_tbg@yahoo.com

[Formerly Steve Wilkinson]

I understand that you're irked that you can't keep dissing MotorMeister ad infinitum, but please be aware that all some of us are trying to do is bring a little rationality to this discussion of such idiotic tactics as "trying to get 20/20 to do a sting" and "fomenting a class-action suit."

There are probably people participating in this thread who actually think that what happens in a class action is a thousand aggrieved customers get together, hire a lawyer, sue MM and in a year or two split two million dollars a thousand ways. If I can help to disabuse them of that foolish notion, I will feel that I have actually been of some use.

[long board]

Look, the point has been asked and answered regarding class action suits, and I think those who have asked understand. For that matter the other ideas have been asked and answered.

However, at this point in the discussion, coupled with all the other posts regarding MM, I still can't reconcile how many have actually been damaged (or think they have) by MM. I am interested in actual situations and their resolve. There are certainly a lot of opinions about MM on these forums (and others), but how many of those posts have actually dealt with them first hand? My best count thus far is about 4. That doesn't seem like it is unusually high, compared to the negativism regarding MM's business practice. Surely, there are sincere occurrences, real people, who have tried to effect resolve. Who are they and what did they do?

[Andy Ring]

Seems to me there's two possible actions against MM that are unrelated:

1) Get some remedy for those who have paid MM in the past for unsatisfactory repairs. Since most owners wouldn't want MM to touch their cars or engines again, I'm assuming this would have to be cash back. Since MM isn't likely to voluntarily refund money, this would have to be some type of legal action.

2) Do something so that other unsuspecting Pcar owners don't find themselves in category #1.

I was considering hiring MM until I ready the horror stories on this board, so I know how close I came to being one of the hoodwinked.

I don't have any ideas for folks in situation #1, but #2 seems like it might be easier to tackle. Using the collective might of the folks on this BBS seems like we could continue to put pressure on P-car magazines not to run MM ads (do Pano and Excellence still carry their ad?).

Just trying to be constructive...

[long board]

1) Get some remedy for those who have paid MM in the past for unsatisfactory repairs. Since most owners wouldn't want MM to touch their cars or engines again, I'm assuming this would have to be cash back. Since MM isn't likely to voluntarily refund money, this would have to be some type of legal action.

2) Do something so that other unsuspecting Pcar owners don't find themselves in category #1.

Solid critical thinking Andy.

My observations so far have read a lot of rumor, innuendo, and hearsay. I'm looking for empirical evidence.

What do you all think would be the 'best' way to get actual previous case situations and currently unresolved situations? (i.e., a toll free 800 #, a specific email address, etc.)

[the]

Originally posted by long board


What do you all think would be the 'best' way to get actual previous case situations and currently unresolved situations? (i.e., a toll free 800 #, a specific email address, etc.)

If I were wronged by a company to the tune of several thousand dollars, I'd hire a lawyer and sue them.

I'd sue them under a variety of theories, including under the state's various consumer protection statutes (I believe Cal has a Business and Professions Code and a Consumer Legal Remedies Act, both of which are very powerful in these kinds of situations).

As part of that, I'd do discovery against the company and find out all about all of their dealings with customers over the past 10 years. Everything. Empty the closet.

I'd to that instead of just spinning my wheels on the internets looking for the answer at a toll free 800#.

But that's just me.

[randywebb]

exactly right on all counts

[RallyJon]

Exactly right. Class action? C'mon, all it takes is one angry rich guy. Angry rich guys are great at solving problems like this.

Surely working on Porsches, they've pissed off at least one former dot-commer with a lot of idle time and some good pitbull attorneys on retainer?

Until that guy steps up, all the rest of this is just wheels spinning...