Att all people hurt by MotorMeister

[long board]

As part of that, I'd do discovery against the company and find out all about all of their dealings with customers over the past 10 years. Everything. Empty the closet.

------Are the previous cases always available?

Surely working on Porsches, they've pissed off at least one former dot-commer with a lot of idle time and some good pitbull attorneys on retainer? Until that guy steps up. . .

------I was hoping on finding at least one guy on this forum who has been there and done that. However, it seems like I'm on my own.

I was working under the assumption that there is strength in numbers and I was assuming this forum would bring out others who have had a problem, how it was resolved, and thus expedite my situation as well as enlighten potential future users.

[baldman]

I apologize if this has already been brought up, but instead of one class action suit why not a whole bunch of small claims lawsuits? Each person who has been wronged can act as a witness to the other.
By doing that the owner of MM would have to show to each and every court date or lose by default.
The only drawbacks are the small claims max amount (I believe $7500) and the fact you have to file in the defendants area so out of state folks would incur some travel expenses.

[the]

Originally posted by long board
As part of that, I'd do discovery against the company and find out all about all of their dealings with customers over the past 10 years. Everything. Empty the closet.

------Are the previous cases always available?

Are they in L.A. county? Here's where you can check for cases filed in LA Superior. I just found this by doing a search.

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/onlineservices/LAECourtOnlineIndex.htm

Civil Party Name Search
Use this service to determine if someone is involved in a lawsuit. This site allows you to search by name for litigants in Civil, Small Claims, Family Law, and Probate cases in the Los Angeles Superior Court via our secure web server. This index returns a list of litigant names, corresponding case types, filing dates, filing locations, and number of available imaged documents. Click here to access Civil Party Name Search.

[the]

But again, trying a shortcut is what caused the problem in the first place; to solve it you are going to have to do it right.

You have remedies. To properly explore all of them, you should contact a good lawyer. Explain everything about your case, and other patterns of conduct that you may have learned about or believe to exist.

You'll have your options presented to you. Then you'll either have to ***** or get off the pot, as they say.

[kucharskimb]

personal experience: I had asked for a gift certificate from my parents to MM when i was looking for camshafts. i was assured by MM that the cams would work with my current setup. after talking with several mechanics, it turned out that, no, i would not have valve to piston clearance with bigger camshafts. by this time, i had my gift certificate in hand, so...

Fall 2002, i ordered a transmission rebuild kit, dogteeth, slider, and a few nuts and bolts. sent in my 2nd gear for eval. called every 3 days for progess report. they were always waiting on parts to arrive. 4 weeks after initial order, all parts arrived at my door. i wasn't overcharged/bait and switched. i was aggravated with customer service. after dust settled, i found i could have save substantially on slider. my ignorance....

i can see how they can keep stringing uneducated customers along, because each of their modifications requires an additional modification, ie, cut your heads and put in bigger cams and, whoops, hey you need different pistons...

i'd rather get angry with vertex auto out of florida for the crap they pulled when i bought a replacement tranny... but i haven't heard any other horror stories, so i'll just keep my mouth shut.

[LarryP]

I have watched this tread (and others like it) for a while. I am thinking I ought just continue to shut up, but eh, here goes. I think the best thing is to make people aware of MM's failings. There is not enough money in any single case to hire a lawyer and damages in contract are limited to what you expended anyway; these are not torts where punitives are available. And given what I hear of customers' problems, they are pretty disparate so I doubt you could certify a class easily for class action (even if there were enough plaintiffs available, which is unclear).

Unfortunately, these facts are what permits MM to stay afloat. There is no class available, few people are going to bother with individual suit and even if someone does bother, MM ends up simply refunding what was spent on that particular motor.

It's a pretty good business model, actually.

[long board]

The original question was: Who has an actual complaint? With all the discussion on this forum about how bad MM is, we can't seem to even find out just who, or how many actual people have been 'damaged.' Until that gets answered, none of it matters.

[fly4val]

Yo long board...off topic....Chuck Yeager still live up in
your neighborhood?

[long board]

Yup. He still has coffee at the same place every morning. the times I've spoken with him he has been real personable. Nice guy, although his daughter is suing for his money!

[Head416]

Originally posted by LarryP
There is not enough money in any single case to hire a lawyer and damages in contract are limited to what you expended anyway; these are not torts where punitives are available.

If they defrauded you can't you go for punitive damgaes? I don't know if they do that or not, or if they just do crappy work.

[LarryP]

However you phrase it, your cause of action is in contract. You'll get your money back.

[austin552]

I may be the only one here but, I have ordered parts from MM. Mostly small stuff and never had any problems. Prices were reasonable and stuff arrived promptly. I would not send them my motor from what I have heard from others. I can't believe they would still be in business if they were so bad. Is this a witch hunt??

[Racerbvd]

Originally posted by austin552
I may be the only one here but, I have ordered parts from MM. Mostly small stuff and never had any problems. Prices were reasonable and stuff arrived promptly. I would not send them my motor from what I have heard from others. I can't believe they would still be in business if they were so bad. Is this a witch hunt??

No witch hunt, not when so many people from so many parts of the country have been screwed kind like a place that has been screwing 914 owners for 2 decades. The key is to flood ads all over the place, where they get most of their new pigeons is non-Porsche related magazines, Autoweek, Car & Driver ect.

[Formerly Steve Wilkinson]

I can't remember ever having seen an MM ad in AutoWeek or Car and Driver. That would be really dumb of them, paying A/W or C/D ad rates to reach an extremely focused audience--i.e. people who want to have air-cooled 911 engines rebuilt, which probably constitutes about two-tenths of a percent of those magazines' circulations, if that.

If fact they advertise in Porsche-specific magazines.

[long board]

Originally posted by Racerbvd
No witch hunt, not when so many people from so many parts of the country have been screwed kind like a place that has been screwing 914 owners for 2 decades.

Am I the only one? Lots of rumors, innuendos, hearsay, but other than me (thus far) no one else has come forward.

Again: The original question was: Who has an actual complaint? With all the discussion on this forum about how bad MM is, we can't seem to even find out just who, or how many actual people have been 'damaged.' Until that gets answered, none of it matters

[efhughes3]

This thread and many others like it have been going on way too long. Everyone comes in all fired up to do some group excercise, when in fact that AIN'T gonna ever happen.

Someone who has been deceived or screwed by MM needs to only be concerned with themselves and work toward getting their own resolution. Then, maybe with a successful judgement against MM, report back here on what worked and what didn't, so that others can pursue their own cases.

I've not done any business with them, as I've seen the posts. Hopefully others will investigate before working with them. In the meantime, this public griping does nothing toward repairing past wrongs, but does serve a purpose in warning others. So enough lamenting what has already happened.

Someone do something!!

[long board]

I am trying to do something, but I can't seem to get my point across, which has been stated several times!: Who has actually been damaged?
I am and will be filing a complaint with auto bureau and a law suit. (And I will inform this forum the results when appropriate)

[Racerbvd]

Originally posted by long board
Am I the only one? Lots of rumors, innuendos, hearsay, but other than me (thus far) no one else has come forward.

Again: The original question was: Who has an actual complaint? With all the discussion on this forum about how bad MM is, we can't seem to even find out just who, or how many actual people have been 'damaged.' Until that gets answered, none of it matters

A few years ago, I was at a local shop, where an MM engine was shipped to to install. The PO had all new RS spec parts for the engine. I know what was there as I almost bought the project, only to have this guy up the anti at the last minute and he had more "jack" with him that I did. He was going to have this shop build the car (a RSR flared 72"S" with every thing to build it to RSR specs) but he fell for the MM ad, sent them the engine. Like I said, I was at the shop when it came back from MM, and powder coated parts were replaced with rattle can sprayed, after checking out the engine (and having to rebuild it) they found many of the parts weren't the ones sent. He did file suite, but I don't know how it ended up. The reason you aren't finding many people who have been burned by MM first hand is that most of us are smart enough to know you get what you pay for.

[kstar]

Originally posted by long board
I am trying to do something, but I can't seem to get my point across, which has been stated several times!: Who has actually been damaged?
I am and will be filing a complaint with auto bureau and a law suit. (And I will inform this forum the results when appropriate)

I was damaged by MM; here are the two main posts I made about 5 years ago.

Part 1

Part 2

I considered all of the options and decided to move on AND to do my best to tell any potential MM customer exactly what happened to me. In that regard, I am pretty sure I have saved scores of people from going to MM.

I would guess that as a result of me telling "my story" here at Pelican that MM's revenue have been reduced by many many times the amount of money I believe they received from me via their "business practices."

Ultimately, my bad experience at MM was my fault simply by choosing them. In my opinion, those folks are the worst of the worst.

FWIW.

Best,

Kurt

[HOLO562]

I HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM WITH M.M AROUND 4 YRS AGO.
I WENT TO THEM BECAUSE OF THE CHEAP PRICES, BOY WAS THAT A BIG MISTAKE... BY THE TIME SMOOTH TALKING ROY GOT DONE WITH ME I WAS OUT 6 G'S AND MY 3.0 RAN LIKE POOH.
IT WOULD NO IDOL WOULD NOT PASS SMOG. NOT TO MENTION
THE M.M SPECIAL NO OIL PRESSURE. OH THEY ALSO GAVE ME A GOOD DEAL ON THE TRANSMISSION SINCE IT WAS OUT OF THE CAR, WHEN IT WAS BACK TOGETHER IT WOULD NOT SHIFT FROM FIRST TO 2ND IT WAS REAL HARD TO GET IN ND GEAR, ROY SAID THE WAY M.M DOES THEIR TYRANNY'S THAT THEY LAST LONGER.IT JUST NEEDED TO BE BROKEN IN. WELL IT NEVER BROKE IN... I FEEL LIKE A REAL "SUCKER" I TOOK THEM TO COURT AN LOST IN DOWNEY, I CALLED THE BBB TO MAKE A COMPLAINT ANY WAY. I CANT BELIEVE THEY ARE STILL IN BUSINESS. OH I ALMOST FORGOT
ABOUT THAT THEY SWITCHED MY AIR HEATER FAN,STOCK CAMS AND JUST TOOK MY AC PULLEY WHEN I ASK THEM THEY SAID IT DID NOT HAVE ONE ON IT WIN IT CAME IN. I HAD TO HAVE THE MOTOR TOOK BACK APART AT MY HOME. THE CAMS WERE REGROUND BUT THE #'S WERN'T STOCK. PUT A SPRING ON THE OIL BYPASS VALVE TO BRING THE OIL PRESSURE UP. WHAT A MESS... IT WAS A BIG LEARNING EXPERIENCE.