Downshifted. Broke something. Sh**t

[msurguy]

Hi everyone ! Maaaaan, this day is one of the worst in my life. Today I was driving my 1987 Porsche 944 , I was going about 25-30 mph on a third gear then I wanted to shift on the fourth but somehow I shifted on second... And baahh, trrrrr, I hear this embaracing cracking sound coming out somewhere under the car... I stopped and towed my car home.
So here is my question. What was that ? Did I kill something like the clutch or fork or gearbox or my tranny is dead now? I tried to run from first gear, the car goes about a few feet and then suddenly stops and rolls back like something got stuck somewhere in the transmission. Also when I put it on any gear and try to roll the car manually it rolls like it's in neutral. Please, if someone can help me solve this problem, it would be very nice of you. I am not a pro at cars so I am sorry for not knowing all that stuff. Also sorry for probably bad English.

[924Sman]

Appears you lost the ring and pinion in the tranny.
Dal

[tifosiman]

I agree.

Drain your trans fluid and look for any metal chunks. If so, more than likely it is the ring and pinion. It will be cheaper to buy a good used trans and install it than rebuild your existing one.

[yieldsign2]

yep. that's what mine did when I blew my transmission.

[josephsc]

Sounds familiar to me too... The best way to confirm is to open up the tranny.

[NKN84944]

Yeah I agree with the rest, this just happened to me on Christmas Eve too. I had the same problem with being able to roll the car while it was in any gear. To tell you the truth I haven't got around to opening my old tranny up yet to see exactly what happened, but i am guessing it is the ring and pinion as others have stated since it affects all the gears. I dropped in a used tranny over New Years, and it was pretty much a cake walk. All I would say is be sure you trust the person you are buying a transmission off of, because nothing would be worse than putting in a bad one. BTW I did have good luck using the junk yard part request sites on the web (i.e. http://www.junkyarddog.com/ etc) where it sends out your request to many junk yards... I think I had about 6 or 7 responses within a day. I managed getting one off a guy from my area through the classified section of this site and I am very pleased. Good luck finding one

[BananaClip]

If it only affects first and second, then you may have broken something in the 1-2 selector.


I know that's really unlikely but I just wanted to say something different than everybody else

[Razorback1980]

Seems we all agree on the problem. Check out car-part.com also, they have listings for most of the salvage yards across the nation and a part request form as well. Several of the bulletin boards including this one (I think) have a used parts section where you can request parts and look for parts for sale. Sorry about the bad luck.

[Razorback1980]

Seems Fresno has one for 650 and Sun Valley has one for 750. You should be able to negotiate those prices. I would call up the Sun Valley and offer them 600 and let them know that Fresno has one for less than they do. Worst that can happen is they say no. It may cost a little more after buying the beer and pizza to get your friends to help change it.

[josephsc]

I'd bet you can get even better pricing if you just start a thread saying you're looking for buy a tranny -- there are plenty of SoCal guys with parts around here.

[Enthuzed1]

hey, if you could find a good deal on a 944S tranny, then go for it...they are much stronger then the N/A tranny...I found one at my local yard for $750, had 76,000 miles....pretty straight forward, yet time consuming install....good luck...

[msurguy]

okay, thanks. I will look for a tranny at Junk yards first and if no luck then I'll make a new thread. Thank for the advise. But isn't the 944S any different then 944 ? I mean gear ratios/ sizes/ mounting ? Thanks

[Razorback1980]

For a 944S without locking differential.....survey says:


1987
Transmission
Porsche 944 90 DAYS 92K #TRA003 $750 Auto Part Locators USA-AZ(Tucson) E-mail 1-800-221-2749

1987
Transmission
Porsche 944 -MT 944S 16V AGP 020065 $650 Fresno Silver Star Recycling USA-CA(Fresno) E-mail 1-559-268-7300

1987
Transmission
Porsche 944 1-87,RWD,4CY,5SP,FLR 7B0832 $550 Arizona Imports, Ltd. USA-AZ(Phoenix) E-mail 1-602-243-7447

For a 944S with locking differential......survey says:

1988
Transmission
Porsche 944 M.T., 944S, w/lckng diff- J30545 $750 Ollies I190 Used Auto Parts USA-MA(Phillipston) Request_Quote 1-800-559-5865 Request_Insurance_Quote

1987
Transmission
Porsche 944 16V,S 940348 $450 Miami Parts USA-FL(Opa-Locka) E-mail 1-800-644-4788

1987
Transmission
Porsche 944 SUN,5SP,WCYL MAN 02C04 $Call A-German Auto Parts and Service USA-CA(San-Jose) E-mail 1-408-993-9711

1987
Transmission
Porsche 944 03J02 $Call A-German Auto Parts and Service USA-CA(San-Jose) E-mail 1-408-993-9711

For 944 NA without locking differential ......survey says:

1985
Transmission
Porsche 944 M.T., frm 1/85 (VIN 45), w/o lckng diff- 04172 $875 Fresno Silver Star Recycling USA-CA(Fresno) E-mail 1-559-268-7300

1987
Transmission
Porsche 944 2.5,4M5,NOABS,NON-LO CKING-U 2D1964 $850 LKQ U-Pull-It Auto Wrecking USA-OR(Portland) Request_Quote 1-503-760-5820 Request_Insurance_Quote

1987
Transmission
Porsche 944 -M.T., 944, W/O LCKNG DIFF-,5SP 81,000 S50552 $750.16 LKQ - Lakenor Auto Salvage USA-CA(Sante-Fe Springs) E-mail 1-800-525-3667

1987
Transmission
Porsche 944 7251 $750 Elite Foreign Auto USA-CA(Sun-Valley) E-mail 1-818-768-1350

1985
Transmission
Porsche 944 -M.T., frm 1/85 (VIN 45), w/o lckng diff 03170 $650 Fresno Silver Star Recycling USA-CA(Fresno) E-mail 1-559-268-7300

1985
Transmission
Porsche 944 MANUAL TRANS 02297 $Call Silver Star Recycling USA-CA(Rancho-Cordova) E-mail 1-800-783-4911

1987
Transmission
Porsche 944 MANUAL TRANS W/O TURBO 05036 $Call Silver Star Recycling USA-CA(Rancho-Cordova) E-mail 1-800-783-4911

For 944 NA with locking differential.....survey says:

1985
Transmission
Porsche 944 M.T., frm 1/85 (VIN 45), w/lckng diff- ? 65,000 F512 $650.12 M & M Imports - Southern California Shipping only USA-CA(Fontana) E-mail 1-800-429-9000

1985
Transmission
Porsche 944 05236 $Call Silver Star Recycling USA-CA(Rancho-Cordova) E-mail 1-800-783-4911

1983
Transmission
Porsche 944 CHK LKNG 76,000 6158 $Call Jamies Auto Dismantling USA-CA(Fresno) E-mail 1-559-233-4674

Hope this helps. I narrowed the search for the NA model to only the pacific area so I wouldn't get too many hits. You can go back and search the rest of the country if you like.

Good Luck

[msurguy]

thank you, that may help

[Dean924s]

I bet it looks something like this.

I found a good used trans for my car for $150. Knowing that the R&P is weak I am careful not to bang the gears, drop the clutch, spin tires on something like sand then have it catch on pavement etc.

My car would drive but it sounded horrible and would lock up if I went more than 5 MPH.

[Razorback1980]

$150 ...wow dean, that's a good price. What caliber gun do you carry? :-)

MSURGUY, here is another option but I would write and ask for a guarantee:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PORSCHE-944-5-SPEED-TRANSMISSION-VGC-NO-RESERVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33733QQitemZ802 9377030QQrdZ1

[msurguy]

sorry Razorback1980 your link didn't work.

[Razorback1980]

Hey, it got cut off. Sorry. Just go to ebay and search for Porsche transmission. There is four or five on there right now ranging from 99 dollars to 2800 dollars.

[msurguy]

Hi. does anyone know how to determine the ratios of the ring and pinion without disassembling the transmission? Or let me state the question in another way. Will the ring and pinion from 87 Porsche 924S fit into my 87 Porsche 944 NA tranny ?

[944 boy]

Hey, just another option. If there is a Pamona swapmeet anytime soon there are usually tons of P-car parts and you may find a deal there. Your definatly close enough.