Restoring 87 944 to new condition

[GostRidr]

Hey G,

I just re-read you're entire post and completely missed the disrespectful part that everyone is talking about. Since I've only been on this site for 2 years I am not good at smelling out trolls so call me a sucker.

I can only wonder if there are some execs in place now that, like all of us, grew up loving the gorgeous lines of our 44s. Can you imagine what they would look like today? That being said, I hope you keep us updated. Far more importantly, I hope someone can answer your original request for a dependable shop near by. I've been asking around for three years, tried many and only been disappointed.

Good luck,
peter

[Eldorado]

But the west coast area handles many of the accounting tasks, warehouse, shipping, etc.

...

By the way, several of the the German Vice pres. are currently in town to oversee a few things.
They're actually really nice guys.

wow... several of the german vice presidents of a multi billion dollar company made a special trip to another country to see some accountants, and a warehouse? those crazy germans...

[Britwrench]

Well, maybe the high ranking Porsche executive can write a post and explain why Porsche N.A. parts system is so bad, in respect to the less- than-good parts catalogs and recent price hikes, why the "customer-relations" department employs people with no Porsche experience and the general lack of interest attitude within the company.

Or maybe not.

[Eldorado]

or maybe the "porsche executives" that he knows so well that work in the area he lives in might know of a porsche shop or two instead of him having to come on to the forum, thump his wallet down to get some attention, and put down our collective passion.

[G-Man55]

Originally posted by Panzer909
LOL - More....MORE! Reading this thread is better than stand-up comedy. Keep making me laugh here in the office and say something assinine again! Come on G-man - I know you have it in ya......

I'll say something else, I think you're taking the German car thing a little too far, you NAZI idiot.

[G-Man55]

Originally posted by Eldorado
or maybe the "Porsche executives" that he knows so well that work in the area he lives in might know of a Porsche shop or two instead of him having to come on to the forum, thump his wallet down to get some attention, and put down our collective passion.

It was recommended to me to take this restoration to a authorized Porsche dealer, I didn't want to use a Porsche dealership because, well they don't restore cars, just replace parts.

So since I was a member of this forum from way back ever before my wife started working for Porsche, I though I ask a few of you about recommending a shop or two.

Some of you have been supportive and have even offered help, but it seems as though many of you never achieved anything significant in your lives so you're just jealous that someone else did.

I noticed no one jumped at the chance to prove me wrong and to win a $10,000 prize. I thought you were all well off and can afford any Porsche under the sun.
Why not try to double your money or shut up you misers.

[G-Man55]

Originally posted by Razorback1980
I agree with ronin...that was my point. If he thinks the other models are better, then go restore one of those and please don't come here telling me the other models are better because that is just an opinion. ...and a bad one.

I don't care if he restores one or not, I don't even care if he ever even owns a Porsche, I just don't think he should come here to tell us our cars are not as good as the rest and that we only own them because we are financially unable to own a different one. He doesn't know my financial condition nor should he care. Truth be known, I probably make more than he does and there are probably many here that make more money than I do...but I do my best not to be disrespectful to anyone no matter how much money they make or don't make...because it doesn't make a difference. We all still love these cars or we wouldn't own them at least that is the case for me and I didn't appreciate him telling me what I would do IF I could afford a different Porsche model because he really has no clue what I would or would not do. Actually I hope he does do the restoration. Always good to see another one saved.

Ok, let me clear something up about me saying everyone here couldn't afford a newer Porsche. I didn't say ALL I said" MOST".

If someone came to you and said I'll trade your 944 for a Carrera GT, are you going to say "Oh, No thanks, the 944 has a better 50/50 weight distribution so I'm going to pass on your offer"

So I will repeat, if MOST people that owned a 944 were to be dropped into a brand new Porsche, they will not look back.

Another thing I picked up from what you are also saying is that if I'm such a high roller, why am I on this forum. So are you yourself trying to say that people on this forum are not well off that is why they are here.

I never put down the 944, I've owned one since 1990. but I'm taking all this attack for merely saying I want to restore one and have people within Porsche NA that are helping me.

[G-Man55]

Originally posted by Britwrench
Well, maybe the high ranking Porsche executive can write a post and explain why Porsche N.A. parts system is so bad, in respect to the less- than-good parts catalogs and recent price hikes, why the "customer-relations" department employs people with no Porsche experience and the general lack of interest attitude within the company.

Or maybe not.

Good help is very hard to find these days in every industry. Look at the crap I have to put up with to get some help from a bunch of stay at home dads and a few great, stand up, down to earth guys who have contributed.

What is 'less than good' in the parts catalog? Let me know if I get a chance I'll pass it along.

[G-Man55]

Originally posted by Eldorado
or maybe the "Porsche executives" that he knows so well that work in the area he lives in might know of a Porsche shop or two instead of him having to come on to the forum, thump his wallet down to get some attention, and put down our collective passion.

Some of us carry wallets and some carry purses.

[G-Man55]

Originally posted by Eldorado
wow... several of the German vice presidents of a multi billion dollar company made a special trip to another country to see some accountants, and a warehouse? those crazy Germans...

After all they're here to oversee business operations, if you knew how a business is run you would understand.

What, did you think they are going to come down half way around world and help you change the oil filter in your 83 944.

[Britwrench]

Less than good parts catalog.....let's see:

1. Using line drawings from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80 and 90s instead of either digital photos or better drawings.

2. Poor descriptions or lack of information. (Look at "M" codes to see that)

3. Lack of proper search system

4. Lots and lots of other stuff that is to say the least..when you are in business, more than frustrating.

An example............ ever tried to order trim parts?
Because the description given by Porsche AG doesn't really mean anything , you never really know what you will get. We just ordered some door trim pieces for a 993. The VIN was given and the parts are 60 - 90 days away from delivery. That is ok, the car is 10 years old.
But, we still don't know what we will get.

Worse is ordering electrical connectors........

MB and BMW are no better. Bearing in mind digital photography is not exactly new, the parts catalogs should be redone.

[Eldorado]

Originally posted by G-Man55
Some of us carry wallets and some carry purses.

alright then... let me rephrase what i said:

or maybe the "Porsche executives" that he knows so well that work in the area he lives in might know of a Porsche shop or two instead of him having to come on to the forum, thump his purse down to get some attention, and put down our collective passion.

thanks for the clarification... sorry for the mistake.

now you'll probably come back with some sort of glib remark that resembles "at least i have money to thump down, you nazi idiot."

to which i'm going to reply something like "then why come on here? certainly the people at your wife's place know where good shops are that will service a porsche, but aren't directly owned by porsche.."

then you're going to ask "why would porsche advertise other shops that aren't their own, you nazi idiot?"

after that I'd call you a dink, make some new crack about the shade of lipstick in your purse, ask you not to insult members of this community who have given so much for a collective cause, call you a dink again, and then stop replying to anything that you've said....

SO, with that said... lets just cut to the chase...

hey dink, ruby red doesn't suit you very well... perhaps you should switch to wacky mango tango... while you're at it, give the insults a rest, would you? these people have given the members of this community SO much.. you know why they do that? because we're all considerate right back to them... we share a passion.. perhaps if you showed some common decency and not called people "nazi idiots", you might have been taken seriously... after all, someone with as much class as yourself should know you catch more flies with honey.....

dink...

[G-Man55]

Originally posted by Eldorado
alright then... let me rephrase what i said:

or maybe the "Porsche executives" that he knows so well that work in the area he lives in might know of a Porsche shop or two instead of him having to come on to the forum, thump his purse down to get some attention, and put down our collective passion.

thanks for the clarification... sorry for the mistake.

now you'll probably come back with some sort of glib remark that resembles "at least i have money to thump down, you nazi idiot."

to which i'm going to reply something like "then why come on here? certainly the people at your wife's place know where good shops are that will service a porsche, but aren't directly owned by porsche.."

then you're going to ask "why would porsche advertise other shops that aren't their own, you nazi idiot?"

after that I'd call you a dink, make some new crack about the shade of lipstick in your purse, ask you not to insult members of this community who have given so much for a collective cause, call you a dink again, and then stop replying to anything that you've said....

SO, with that said... lets just cut to the chase...

hey dink, ruby red doesn't suit you very well... perhaps you should switch to wacky mango tango... while you're at it, give the insults a rest, would you? these people have given the members of this community SO much.. you know why they do that? because we're all considerate right back to them... we share a passion.. perhaps if you showed some common decency and not called people "nazi idiots", you might have been taken seriously... after all, someone with as much class as yourself should know you catch more flies with honey.....

dink...

First of all, you're post does not make much sense. I would like to say that the Porsche guys usually take their newer cars to the Porsche dealers for service, they don't restore old Porsches on a weekly basis.

Second, I didn't start with the personal attacks. The bitter crusted middle-aged fool you see in the mirror did.

third, I didn't call you a Nazi idiot. I called the Panzer queen or whatever he goes by.

Fourth, I already had a few helpful members post or email me helpful information. They don't seem to be bitter at other people for accomplishing something in life or attempting to do something right. The only reason I'm still here is to set you bitter-outdated-rusty old farts straight. But then again, you can't teach an old badger a new trick.

Finally, you call yourself "giving to the collective cause" Well many of you old farts didn't give me anything but insults. If you read the thread from the beginning I was cordial, responding to the negative attacks with truthful and honest responses. But the postings kept getting worse calling me "dreamy" "troll" etc.
You get upset because I called somebody a Nazi. Well lets see he has a Nazi solider avatar, his user name is Panzer....., he's slogan is written in German......etc. trust me I think he likes being called a Nazi, and if you add everything he says you will come up with IDIOT as the correct scientific answer for his stupidity.

I've been disecting the cause of your bitterness towards me, I think I figured it out. It all started when I used the words "Porsche execs". In my life experience the only types of people who hate white coller execs are low wage blue collar working (or non-working) laborers.

Yes, you can catch flies with honey but you can also catch dirt and crap too. I caught all three with this posting.

[924Sman]

This has gone way too far! STOP....I am running out of popcorn!

Ok when did middle age come into the mix? I beg to differ on the "can't teach a new dog old tricks." I learn a new trick now and then at 49.

Gman you need to do some homework. This really is not about you but about you and PCNA connecting on a project. Now let's review.....If you notice PCNA and the PCA have absolutely very little interest in the 944 models and we forum/Pcar owners are keen to this favor of the flagship 911 base model. We have witnessed time and time again little attention from PCA or PCNA. So take that into consideration as this is our "mindset" and until either one does something to support us we are going to look at threads such as this as....you being a troll or this post is a bit out in left field(dreamy). Now in these 2 opinions neither was a direct stab at you but the content of the thread you posted. SoCal said he smelled a troll, not you are one. And I said the POST was dreamy not the POSTER. So there are 2 whom did not aim at you on a personal note but what content and the nature of it.

Now being a white collar (not coller), let's, (not lets) see if you can understand our negative replies and why!

So why don't we trash this thread and move on to how to spell and punctuate properly as white collar Porsche owners.

Let's do this...You do your thing as you mentioned and we will wait and try to learn as we wait for you to post results of this endeavor so we can place some merit into it.

Alrighty then....Next topic of discussion. I am training to fly an F16 at 49 and a blind Diabetic. Let the flaming commence!!!! I am serious MAN I am going to fly one!

Get it!!??

Signed,
Middle aged blue collared retired man at 49 who owns a Porsche

[McFly944]

Originally posted by 924Sman
Alrighty then....Next topic of discussion. I am training to fly an F16 at 49 and a blind Diabetic. Let the flaming commence!!!! I am serious MAN I am going to fly one!

Get it!!??

Signed,
Middle aged blue collared retired man at 49 who owns a Porsche

LOL, that would be interesting to see! Especially how you drive that Porsche being a 'blind Diabetic'. I wish you the best of luck with getting the chance to fly that F16!


Back to the question at hand..

G-man,

I don't know a single shop/mechanic in the Orange/Riverside area I would trust or want any of my p-cars to go to. 95% of them are parts changers these days. I do all of my own repairs and sometimes have help from other 944 owners that live in the area. I know one guy in LA who has a shop and he is one of the only that I would let take a wrench to my car if I wase'nt able to do the job myself. If you would like to get in touch with him shoot me a pm.

I really think your best bet is to take the time and do it yourself.


Back to the statement to trading your 944 for a Carrera GT. I'd do the trade, enjoy the CGT for a bit then sell it and have the cash to by MY 944 back.

[shikzachaser]

Just my two cents but I also like the 944 better than a real porsche. I have had 3 911s and a bunch of BMWs over the years but the 944 is still my favorite.



My Dinan 535, 964, and 944 in background



The old 86



The wife's M3 driver



Still my favorite

[G-Man55]

[G-Man55]

Originally posted by McFly944
LOL, that would be interesting to see! Especially how you drive that Porsche being a 'blind Diabetic'. I wish you the best of luck with getting the chance to fly that F16!


Back to the question at hand..

G-man,

I don't know a single shop/mechanic in the Orange/Riverside area I would trust or want any of my p-cars to go to. 95% of them are parts changers these days. I do all of my own repairs and sometimes have help from other 944 owners that live in the area. I know one guy in LA who has a shop and he is one of the only that I would let take a wrench to my car if I wase'nt able to do the job myself. If you would like to get in touch with him shoot me a pm.

I really think your best bet is to take the time and do it yourself.


Back to the statement to trading your 944 for a Carrera GT. I'd do the trade, enjoy the CGT for a bit then sell it and have the cash to by MY 944 back.

Good call.........with just the ignition keys of the Carrera GT you could buy another 944. The keys cost $4000 to replace.

[Panzer909]

Originally posted by G-Man55
I'll say something else, I think you're taking the German car thing a little too far, you NAZI idiot.

Ataboy, G-man - I knew you still had it!!! Your opinion is highly valued here.

I'm giving this tool approx. 30 days before he either leaves or is booted off the BBS.

Anyone??

[panzer grey]

"If someone came to you and said I'll trade your 944 for a Carrera GT, are you going to say "Oh, No thanks, the 944 has a better 50/50 weight distribution so I'm going to pass on your offer"


If the rules of the trade were that I had to KEEP the Carrera GT and could not sell it, then you're darn right i'd choose the 944 over the CGT.

The CGT reeks of pretentiousness. The 944 does not.

I couldn't drive the CGT on the roads where i live- the 944 has no problem.

I couldn't leave the CGT parked anywhere for fear of it being stolen or vandalized.

I couldn't let anyone borrow the CGT or even allow anyone else to drive it without stressing out.

The CGT would be almost impossible to work on myself.

And besides, driving some flashy bat-mobile that screams 'look at me' just ain't my style. ( and I've never liked a car that lacks a roofline- the CGT has none. )

So yeah, if given a choice between a CGT and a 944 I'd take the 944 without hesitation.

My 944 is used. A CGT, for me, is useless.

My 944 is a car. The CGT is a cartoon.