Picked Up a Keeper, Marine Blue 964

[Marine Blue]

As I started prepping the car for the concours I recalled that I had lost the majority of my points in the engine bay so I pulled out the score sheet from last year to review what I had missed. Majority of it was cleaning in crevices but one of the items on the score sheet was the trunk latch. As I only had a couple of weeks to get it tidied up I didn’t have enough time to pull it, clean it and have it sent out for plating. So I scrambled to get one on order and it arrived just in time.

The procedure to swap them was relatively simple. I started by using some blue painters tape and I placed it around the edge of the existing latch so I knew where to locate the new latch. I then placed the two latches side by side and noted that the new latch was shorter than the old one so I adjusted it to match the old one. I then installed the new latch and tested it. Works like a charm and actually latches better than my old one.

I will still send out the old one to get it replated and reinstall it since the new version is slightly different.

Here are some before, during and after pictures.

[Marine Blue]

Well the concours didn’t go exactly as planned last weekend but it was not due to preparation and condition. During a concours the judges ask you to open up the car including any storage compartments, engine lid, glove box, frunk etc. so they can inspect everything. When I went to pop the hood the latch was completely slack and the frunk hood would not open. . Unfortunately after many attempts at opening it I decided I didn’t want to risk damage so I ended up losing points for the entire front storage area which was unfortunate. The rest of the car was prepped well and I had minimal deducts so at least what was judged did well including the engine!

The next day I decided to tackle the hood to determine how to open it. After reading several posts online there was one that caught my attention. When pulling the handle inside the car if you reach behind it you can feel the cable. I pulled the plastic cover off the release mechanism and removed the carpet from that area so I could get better access to the cable. The post suggested that you could use a tool to pull down on the cable behind the handle and pulling hard enough could release it. I used a hooked O-Ring removal tool and was able to get it around the cable. Holding my breath I gave it a hard tug and POP the hood released! To say I was relieved is an understatement considering what some had to do to release the hood..

Once open I pulled the plastic trim piece off and could see immediately what the issue was. The housing had popped out of the metal holder so when you pulled the handle inside the cable housing was moving rather than just the inner cable. When cleaning at the concours I do recall my microfiber catching on something in the front but didn’t think anything of it. I reinserted it and noted that it had a slight bend in the holder which allowed the housing to pop out with little resistance. After straightening it out with some pliers I reinserted the cable and then closed up the opening so the cable housing could not pop out. I could see that the latch was moving correctly and with some apprehension I closed the hood. Fortunately the fix worked beautifully and the hood released! �� I decided to tighten up the cable and lubricate it since I had everything open and when done the hood release latch is now working better than ever. No slack, very direct and the handle pops back into position as it should.

Always an adventure with older cars. Fortunately this was an easy fix and no harm done.

Some obligatory pics of the car at the concours and the latch which will hopefully help someone who might run into something similar.

[speedster911]

Good to see the RUF wheels back on the car!!

Bummer that you had the issues with the hood. You probably had minimal deductions on all other categories. You will get a perfect score next time!!

[Cobalt]

Very unfortunate. I understand the pain. It is always something but good news it ended there. You might consider adding the hood release cable that runs to the wheel well. Just in case. I might even have a spare.

I spent a lot of time prepping my driver 964 C2 for our local concours and with the fikse wheels it was a nightmare cleaning job. Drove the car in the rain to the event and had limited cleaning time. Great news they didn't ding me for any brake dust but they were kind enough to ding me for no wheel dressing on my tires. I had dressed them before the drive but it washed off in the rain. I had a perfect exterior score except 4 point deduction for no wheel dressing when we were instructed 1/10 point deductions. My tires were clean and it should have been .4 deduction tops which would have given me 2nd palce. The consensus was I have too many trophies so give someone else a chance. LOL I was happy to see Eric and his gorgeous 993C2S take first. His second Concours with his beautiful car.

The worlds most subjective sport. We must be crazy to do this but the cars do get lots of attention which is nice to see. Trophies are just the icing the real prize is the admiration.

Car looks great as always.

[speedster911]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

Very unfortunate. I understand the pain. It is always something but good news it ended there. You might consider adding the hood release cable that runs to the wheel well. Just in case. I might even have a spare.

I spent a lot of time prepping my driver 964 C2 for our local concours and with the fikse wheels it was a nightmare cleaning job. Drove the car in the rain to the event and had limited cleaning time. Great news they didn't ding me for any brake dust but they were kind enough to ding me for no wheel dressing on my tires. I had dressed them before the drive but it washed off in the rain. I had a perfect exterior score except 4 point deduction for no wheel dressing when we were instructed 1/10 point deductions. My tires were clean and it should have been .4 deduction tops which would have given me 2nd palce. The consensus was I have too many trophies so give someone else a chance. LOL I was happy to see Eric and his gorgeous 993C2S take first. His second Concours with his beautiful car.

The worlds most subjective sport. We must be crazy to do this but the cars do get lots of attention which is nice to see. Trophies are just the icing the real prize is the admiration.

Car looks great as always.

^^^ your judging was tough.^^^

Zone 7, we wouldn't deduct 4x, the wheel deduction would be .10 and a personal note on the score sheet for next time. Some judges are just jerks on how they score regardless of what the "rules" are for a particular event.

[Marine Blue]

Originally Posted by speedster911

Good to see the RUF wheels back on the car!!

Bummer that you had the issues with the hood. You probably had minimal deductions on all other categories. You will get a perfect score next time!!

The RUF’s are my concours wheels since they’re in great shape and much easier to clean. . The car showed really well, zero points in the engine, .3 in the interior. .4 on the gas cap area (apparently too much 303 on the rubber flap) and zero on the exterior.

Originally Posted by Cobalt

Very unfortunate. I understand the pain. It is always something but good news it ended there. You might consider adding the hood release cable that runs to the wheel well. Just in case. I might even have a spare.

I spent a lot of time prepping my driver 964 C2 for our local concours and with the fikse wheels it was a nightmare cleaning job. Drove the car in the rain to the event and had limited cleaning time. Great news they didn't ding me for any brake dust but they were kind enough to ding me for no wheel dressing on my tires. I had dressed them before the drive but it washed off in the rain. I had a perfect exterior score except 4 point deduction for no wheel dressing when we were instructed 1/10 point deductions. My tires were clean and it should have been .4 deduction tops which would have given me 2nd palce. The consensus was I have too many trophies so give someone else a chance. LOL I was happy to see Eric and his gorgeous 993C2S take first. His second Concours with his beautiful car.

The worlds most subjective sport. We must be crazy to do this but the cars do get lots of attention which is nice to see. Trophies are just the icing the real prize is the admiration.

Car looks great as always.

The secondary hood release is top on my list for both the front and rear, is it just the cable or is there something else needed? Where does the cable run through?

Bummer on the rain, that always makes for a miserable and frantic cleanup. A 4 point deduct on the tires is absurd though, either they truly didn’t want you to win or the judge was clueless. One could also argue that Porsche didn’t ship the cars out of the factory with dressing on the tire so a clean tire would be a more accurate representation. I’ve actually had judges tell me not to use product on the tires after I lost some points for a dirty tire but I just don’t like the look and I’ve found a way to keep the tires clean.

Your last comment about sharing these cars with people that appreciate them is truly one of the primary reasons I continue to show in concours. The car gets a huge amount of attention and love from enthusiasts of all ages and it’s fun to discuss the details on care, prep and the options. The color combo also draws lots of attention. There’s always the occasional comment about the Q-Tips and craziness but it’s hard to deny that a properly prepped car is admired by everyone. The trophy’s are a nice reminder of the event more than anything else.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by speedster911

^^^ your judging was tough.^^^

Zone 7, we wouldn't deduct 4x, the wheel deduction would be .10 and a personal note on the score sheet for next time. Some judges are just jerks on how they score regardless of what the "rules" are for a particular event.

I have been doing concours since the 80's and this was a first for me. My tires were clean but not dressed. I judge as well and only dirty tires I ding. You could not rub any brown or black off the tire so it shouldn't have been a deduction at all. Our rules clearly state if a true finding only a .1 deduction per tire max. I know the judges personally who judge at Parade as well as I. I was surprised to see this. I was going for the season trophy. I took first in the last 2 concours events with different cars and should have taken a min of 2nd at this one. I was planning to show a different car at each of the 5 concours events. Our next event is New Hope which is rather large and I was going to show the turbo but now I have no chance to take the season trophy so I'm not sure I want to waste my time. I will still Judge but on the fence about showing.

From PCR recommendations.

On your wheels, make sure they are cleaned and polished. Clean off the sidewalls,
using Simple Green or some other cleaner to remove any excess tire dressing or
grime. Use a soft bristled brush to scrub the tires with cleaner. You will want to be
able to rub your fingers across the sidewalls without your fingers turning black or
brown. On the wheels themselves, polish them, clean around the lug nuts, as this is
an area judges particularly love to check. Then make sure you don’t have any
excess polish along the rim or lug nut area. Don’t put a dressing on the wheels, this
stuff just picks up more dirt from the road. You don’t have to clean the wheel wells
for a Concours, but it is a good idea to do so, as it makes the overall presentation of
the car look better.

Originally Posted by Marine Blue

The RUF’s are my concours wheels since they’re in great shape and much easier to clean. . The car showed really well, zero points in the engine, .3 in the interior. .4 on the gas cap area (apparently too much 303 on the rubber flap) and zero on the exterior.



The secondary hood release is top on my list for both the front and rear, is it just the cable or is there something else needed? Where does the cable run through?

Bummer on the rain, that always makes for a miserable and frantic cleanup. A 4 point deduct on the tires is absurd though, either they truly didn’t want you to win or the judge was clueless. One could also argue that Porsche didn’t ship the cars out of the factory with dressing on the tire so a clean tire would be a more accurate representation. I’ve actually had judges tell me not to use product on the tires after I lost some points for a dirty tire but I just don’t like the look and I’ve found a way to keep the tires clean.

Your last comment about sharing these cars with people that appreciate them is truly one of the primary reasons I continue to show in concours. The car gets a huge amount of attention and love from enthusiasts of all ages and it’s fun to discuss the details on care, prep and the options. The color combo also draws lots of attention. There’s always the occasional comment about the Q-Tips and craziness but it’s hard to deny that a properly prepped car is admired by everyone. The trophy’s are a nice reminder of the event more than anything else.

These are my wheels. A royal PITA to clean especially driving to the event in the rain. They couldn't find a spec of brake dust. I tracked this car and the wheels for 20k miles as well.



Your last comment is also the big issue when showing. As a judge I have less time to prep the car since we always have meetings first when others are still cleaning. But mostly as soon as I show up everyone wants to talk which is mostly why I am there but it makes it hard not to be rude and clean while talkings so I usually talk. But I know what to clean and this was a mistake on some veteran Judges IMO.

I always said it is the worlds most subjective sport and I sadly have more stories I can tell about missing first place at Parade more than once and other events for improperly added score sheets or deductions that were egregiously out of line.

[speedster911]

Cobalt, we have similar experiences, I bet our judge stories are similar. Like you I show and Judge. I am always in full which means other attendees don't understands why I am obsessed with the back side of wheels and undercarriage etc. - they want to chat.

One day I want to show at parade. I have owned my 89 speedster for 32 years and I think it would present very well. Was hoping it would be on the west coast for 2025 but its NY!

The only event that has more subjective wiggle room in judging is WERKs. I'll be showing two cars simultaneously this year at Monterey WERKs and judging

[kkswow12]

looking through this thread i noticed the comments about rennlist and while not a newbie, i am not that active there, or here... but it still seems i have good interaction there as far as what i look for with my various problems but maybe i will have more luck with info and i would be glad to help and offer suggestions where i can...and what happened to rennlist that it has fallen out of favor with so many?
and by the way, i now have an ocean blue 993 C4S and there is vast purple behind the ocean of blue as well...and the amethyst C2 964 is just purple from the start, kinda, nothing like purple in a Porsche...

[Marine Blue]

It’s been a bit since I updated this thread, there’s another project on the horizon…..

[c2_peter]

^^^ Did you go with the RS-spec KW's or standard?

[Marine Blue]

Originally Posted by c2_peter

^^^ Did you go with the RS-spec KW's or standard?

Standard, I was searching for more compliance on bumpy roads.

[c2_peter]

Originally Posted by Marine Blue

Standard, I was searching for more compliance on bumpy roads.

Nice, makes sense living out here in SoCal.

[speedster911]

Originally Posted by Marine Blue

It’s been a bit since I updated this thread, there’s another project on the horizon…..

get them polished up before you install!!!

Not sure if I have ever posted a photo. MB, you were the influencer on me getting the RUF wheels.

[Marine Blue]

Originally Posted by speedster911

get them polished up before you install!!!

Not sure if I have ever posted a photo. MB, you were the influencer on me getting the RUF wheels.

Stunning color and wow it looks mint! Any plans to put some lowering springs on it?

[speedster911]

^^ thank you!!^^

At stock height its a bit high, its the struggle of stock vs. slight mods. RUF wheels and rennline cat bypass are only mods to this car. Hope to replace top this winter.

[ian c2]

I’d keep it as is .
Looks great and I imagine it drives great .

[Holmust]

Nice color!!

[Marine Blue]

The shocks are installed, the car is corner balanced, alignment is complete and, lets just say the car drives even better

More details to come…………

[speedster911]

+++^^^+++ Perfect stance