Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc (Post 10325461)

A friend of mine sold his 86 Carrera and bought a 991, with PDK. He was all excited about the PDK, but then his wife bought a new Jetta, with PDK, said it felt about the same. He said driving the 991 only felt like a Porsche when he pushed it to the limit, but it normally felt about like the Jetta. And this guy had Porsches since they were new, Speedsters, 550's, 911S's, even a 906, so he knows what a Porsche is supposed to feel like.
---Adam

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc (Post 10325461)

A friend of mine sold his 86 Carrera and bought a 991, with PDK. He was all excited about the PDK, but then his wife bought a new Jetta, with PDK, said it felt about the same. He said driving the 991 only felt like a Porsche when he pushed it to the limit, but it normally felt about like the Jetta. And this guy had Porsches since they were new, Speedsters, 550's, 911S's, even a 906, so he knows what a Porsche is supposed to feel like.
---Adam

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10325502)

I would assert that is actually the point. If one is going to have one car for everything, it's awesome to have the flexibility for a car to feel casual and at ease on a daily basis, but when you want to get on it, it's instantly available to be something else. You don't get that in a GT3 or GT4. Those cars always feel like a sportscar and require driver involvement.

A modern Carrera is a Grand Touring car, and cruises like one. More and more I think about it, my next car may be a PDK Panamera. With young kids I need a 4 door daily driver for a while. I thought I wanted a Macan, but after driving one, I just got a Tiguan for my wife and am saving my pennies for something more sporting in a year or two.

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10325502)

I would assert that is actually the point. If one is going to have one car for everything, it's awesome to have the flexibility for a car to feel casual and at ease on a daily basis, but when you want to get on it, it's instantly available to be something else. You don't get that in a GT3 or GT4. Those cars always feel like a sportscar and require driver involvement.

A modern Carrera is a Grand Touring car, and cruises like one. More and more I think about it, my next car may be a PDK Panamera. With young kids I need a 4 door daily driver for a while. I thought I wanted a Macan, but after driving one, I just got a Tiguan for my wife and am saving my pennies for something more sporting in a year or two.

Originally Posted by JMS935 (Post 10325548)

Forget about the Panamera. You can get a Trackhawk for the price of a base model Panamera, yet it’ll at least keep pace with if not outrun the Turbo S model, which is twice the money. Btw, other than the 2 door requirement, it meets all of the other checklists from the OP. It’s stupid how fast this SUV is, even more ridiculous is how much you get for the money. If you want a 4 door DD that has massive power under foot, there’s nothing better for the money. That is assuming that you’re willing to stray from the Porsche brand.

Originally Posted by NYNick (Post 10325491)

. . .
"What a Porsche is supposed to feel like", btw? That's just hooey. They span multiple decades. They're still in business. They feel how they feel when they're made, in context. If your friend prefers the old style, that's just his opinion, not fact.

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10324992)

I used to feel that way, but then I drove a few PDKs. Now I'm daily driving a DSG gearbox VW quite happily. I don't feel like I'm missing anything. When I want to get on it, I just knock the shifter to the side and take over on the paddles. I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to drive a PDK Porsche.

The thing I've always found slightly ironic is that everyone talks about the 3rd pedal. In motorsports, we've spent years refining the gearbox to the point where you don't need to use the pedal. The PDK came out of racing technology attempting to make faster shifts and spend less time where you aren't putting power to the wheels between shifts. Having spent some time driving dog boxes, getting good enough at it that you can skip or barely use the pedal is the point. It's hard, so hard in fact, that on the 997 Cups they added blippers and rev-matchers to the gearboxes because owners were destroying them quickly, and sometimes catastrophically. Yet the manual die hards, always going back to their precious clutch pedal. The clutch pedal is obsolete.

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10325567)

Vomit. I’ll never own another Jeep. And I’m not interested in crazy power. Nor am I interested in an suv. A Panamera 4S will be just fine, unless Subaru pulls their head out if their arses and brings us the Levorg.

Originally Posted by JMS935 (Post 10325548)

Forget about the Panamera. You can get a Trackhawk for the price of a base model Panamera, yet it’ll at least keep pace with if not outrun the Turbo S model, which is twice the money. Btw, other than the 2 door requirement, it meets all of the other checklists from the OP. It’s stupid how fast this SUV is, even more ridiculous is how much you get for the money. If you want a 4 door DD that has massive power under foot, there’s nothing better for the money. That is assuming that you’re willing to stray from the Porsche brand.

Originally Posted by Alan A (Post 10325773)

Cross drive the Panamera with an A8L with a v8. Srsly.
Especially if you have kids.
Just be sure to get a warranty...

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc (Post 10325774)

Haha. How old are you?

Originally Posted by JMS935 (Post 10325790)

What is funny to you? Enlighten us.

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc (Post 10325854)

I find it funny that someone would cross shop a V6 Panamera with a Trackhawk. Complete different customer bases and animals. That's all.

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10324992)

I used to feel that way, but then I drove a few PDKs. Now I'm daily driving a DSG gearbox VW quite happily. I don't feel like I'm missing anything. When I want to get on it, I just knock the shifter to the side and take over on the paddles. I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to drive a PDK Porsche.

The thing I've always found slightly ironic is that everyone talks about the 3rd pedal. In motorsports, we've spent years refining the gearbox to the point where you don't need to use the pedal. The PDK came out of racing technology attempting to make faster shifts and spend less time where you aren't putting power to the wheels between shifts. Having spent some time driving dog boxes, getting good enough at it that you can skip or barely use the pedal is the point. It's hard, so hard in fact, that on the 997 Cups they added blippers and rev-matchers to the gearboxes because owners were destroying them quickly, and sometimes catastrophically. Yet the manual die hards, always going back to their precious clutch pedal. The clutch pedal is obsolete.